I find this mildly infuriating, I only use Windows for work, I even personally purchased Windows 11. Local account and disabled as much as I could. I personally do not like Windows or Windows in general.
Well, now I do an update and they throw this up like I need to walk thru these steps (again). Not even a “Skip”/“Don’t remind me again”. Windows is not what it used to be and after disabling half the Microsoft stuff I’d expect not to be bothered again. It’s really a built in ad more then anything.
2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5029351)
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Remember, there are always alternatives…
I never understood why anyone would pay for office 365 or use something like hello. Like Libreoffice is free and does the same job with less bullshit. And last time I checked windows is not running on any ones phones so why push the leftover failed features?
To this day there are things that you can only do in Excel for Windows. Not Mac, not web, only Windows excel. If you are a spreadsheet power user, you are stuck with both Office and Windows. If you work in the corporate world, you are stuck with Office and most likely Windows.
Really? I have never ran into anything like that. I worked in the corporate world for 10 years and used open office then libreoffice. My company had office but I hated it.
Excel is far, far ahead of the competition. I wish it wasn’t that way, but it just is.
Guess I would not know, myself and my businesses have not used Excel in years. Out of curiosity whats missing from the free Excel rip offs? Hotkeys, formulas, or what?
I’m curious about this as well. I have used Libreoffice for years without an issue. My understanding as always been that Microsoft Office products just have more advertising and so many people got/get trained in it that it’s just easier then to learn it differently to use LibreOffice software.
I was not aware there was anything missing, other then maybe the cloud. I do know smaller businesses and even some schools who have swapped to LibreOffice but usually overseas, outside the US.
If your competition is other spreadsheet programs, then yes. If your competition is Python or R, absolutely not.
If you’re using Excel so much to the point that certain things can only be done in Excel on Windows, just learn Python.
This feels awfully as a desperate move…
Are M$ numbers dwindling lately or are they just scared there is a rise in Linux users (even non tech savvy) and this is a desperate move to capture more peope?
I do believe there is a up tick in Linux users these days, probably not enough though. The main downside the the popular use of Windows in business, if they get converted Microsoft would probably really struggle even with their other markets.
I got a new Asus laptop and had to set up windows to be able to get into the advanced boot settings and install Kubuntu. I am so glad I did
You shouldn’t need to do the setup. The problem is by default windows hibernates instead of shuts down fully when you pick shut down. So your only real options are crash the computer or hit reboot.
Some manufacturers are nice and don’t block you from getting into the bios when the OS is hibernated, but some suck.
You can prevent this. Click remind later then go to your notifications in the settings app. Uncheck “Suggest ways I can finish setting up” and anything else you don’t want to see.
I love that I have to go out of my way and follow online instructions to undo something that they forced on me in the first place. That’s customer antagonistic design for you.
*Complains that Microsoft gives you a way to turn something off.
Looks like you missed his point completely
Alternatively: You can prevent this. Use a different operating system.
This is the best option, I like Fedora
You meant GNU/Linux.
GNU/BSD or GNU/HURD would be fine, too. Or even something like ReactOS or Haiku, for that matter.
The important thing is that the OS respects you as the owner of the computer and does what you tell it to do, instead of trying to subvert your authority to serve a master other than yourself (e.g. the OS publisher or third-parties that want to colonize your property for their own benefit).
“No thanks, I’d rather complain that Microsoft advertising their other services in a totally configurable setting which I can disable is the same as the entire OS literally being an ad.”
Why do we have to take more time to disable this shit? We are not all.made of unlimited time. And yes “it only takes a few seconds”. Every time something like this shows up the seconds add up
Meanwhile when someone doesn’t want to switch to Linux or Firefox…
“Just install seventeen extensions bro, why do you need tab stacking anyways? It’s worth it to be FOSS to take three weeks to get your Arch install just the way you like it.”
You absolutely have the time, you just want to bitch.
If you hate being used by Windows so much, you really should try an alternative, unless you’re a professional that uses software that just can’t run on Linux at all, chances are you can get most of what you use a computer for working fine. In return you get freedom, privacy, choice, performance.
Or if you hate it but are too reluctant to change for whatever reason, that’s totally fine, but just say that. Don’t spread misinformation about Linux.
It’s worth it to be FOSS to take three weeks to get your Arch install just the way you like it.
Literally no one ever says this. Just use Fedora. Almost completely seamless. There’s a KDE version if you want to have the same workflow as windows without configuring anything. You don’t have to use firefox, brave or ungoogled chromium are FOSS too.
Slow it down a notch, I already use Nobara on two machines and have a steam deck running SteamOS. I’m all for open source, but the “why does windows show me annoying plebian features by default, it’s SOOOOOO horrible I have to look through and disable them manually it takes so mich time” feels kind of trite when meanwhile people complain about the time sink in learning a Linux install (even a PnP distro) is hand waived away as not a commitment.
It just feels hypocritical, like a huge blind spot in the community. They claim Windows is so hard to deal with on the most minor shit.
It’s not just about the inconvenience though. Windows is paid. It’s at least 100 bucks. It’s not even “free but you are the product” like Google drive or whatever. Yet it still abuses you, controls you and exploits you, and you have to do tons of workarounds for it to not get in your way. Most of them are always temporary, as a new update reenables everything again or directly circumvents the workaround you used.
If you are locked into the ecosystem, then I do agree that it’s annoying that people think moving to Linux is seamless. It wasn’t for me, it even cost me money since I had to buy an AMD gpu for things to work well + another GPU to passthrough to a windows VM and still use Clip Studio. But if someone only uses their computer for things that can be done seamlessly on Linux, and they genuinely dislike and are against all the bullshit Windows always does, it’s worth it to tell them there is a viable alternative, and what they heard about “you have to use the command line for everything meaningful!” or “everything breaks all the time!” hasn’t been true for years.
I guess I found the secret button to disable it, then. Because I haven’t had a single ad or bloatware style notification in a long time on my desktop. I’m sorry I just really think it’s overblown and basically a meme at this point.
I’ve had a lot of success with Nobara, it’s why I put it on my old recycle pile laptop from my last job. Not only does it just work from the get go but it has a lot of built in functionality for things like discord and game launches that I’d prefer not to spend hours messing around with on a Debian or Arch install.
Windows users are in an abusive relationship. It’s sad, but not unexpected, that some make excuses for their abuser.
I never understood people getting annoyed by this.
Yes, MS can get pushy advertising their products. What would you expect? I had Windows 11 for a few years I have zero problems. I work and play games on my ROG and it’s fast. That’s what I need.
When things like this appear I have muscular memory like when I see ads on websites: close or ignore.
Laughing from Linux. Fedora, PCLinuxOS, OpenSUSE- all of Linux is laughing 😃
It’s time to come back to the light. I’m soon making the switch to Linux for good. I was waiting for gaming to become much more accessible… But I was messing up before because I was downloading the wrong drivers.
I’ve been learning how to use it by keeping my main machine on win10 while my laptop is on pop os. Using that to test my games and learn.
I’ve been using it long enough that once I get a good break from life, I’ll be going thru the steps to switch my gaming PC over.
This sucks, I remember a year or two ago, windows 10 was pushing similar things. My only question is what happens when you don’t have internet?(worst case scenario.) I had windows 10 when I was in college, but as soon I finished, I did install fedora as dual boot, and since then I proudly use fedora every day, switched to windows only 1-2 in total.
The most common problem I had was program and app availability. Could I do what I do every day with Windows? The answer was yes. Install and try even if its dual boot, slowly slowly you will get used to it.
If you don’t have internet, you’re never getting updates in the first place! Unless you mean, you updated, are sitting at this screen, THEN lose your network connection.
Sitting on this screen yeaa, that’s what I meant. Ofcoure no internet no updates.
That’s actually a good thing IMO, Microsoft is giving people more reasons to switch to Linux. How kind of them!
ah yes the non-idealistic idealist, i always admired your kind
It would not help. They just buy a Chromebook instead because there are no other alternatives in the shop. It would be a different story if the thing when you start the new computer get a guide to choose your OS to use. Even better if Android was the same. EU should force this IMO.
The new Debian is fucking awesome.
Debian have been fucking awesome since i installed it 23 years ago! It was leaps and bounds better then it’s contemporaries.
Random question but you’d probably know. If I had Debian 11 when debiann12 came out will it update or do you need to reinstall? How has this worked in the past and how do you think the jump from 12 to 13 will work?
I’m used to rolling releases but I recently put Debian on my laptop
I have never needed to reinstall Debian. if sources.list say stable, you’d upgrade automatically. but normally the sources specify the release name “bullseye” and you would change that to bookworm when you want to upgrade.
I installed Debian potato right after 2000 sometime. Because i was so annoyed by running into rpm hell with early redhat releases whatever and having to reinstall all the time. and I apt upgraded to Debian woody, and following the release notes, everything worked. At the time that was wild to see. Have been running Debian on all the servers i touch at work since. The Release notes contain information about what is changed from a regular installation. So you can follow the new defaults if you so want.
I DD’d the installation to a larger harddrive, before upgrading to sarge. and by then it had become a bit of a sport, while not being necessary in any way I have kept on upgrading, and moving my daily driver over to new machines for fun.If you want a rolling release, you can run Debian testing, if you want stability you can depend on, run Debian stable. testing will stick a bit before release, and then have a period of rapid changes after release, but for a not critical desktop, it is generally very nice.
if you want to keep your system healthy tru the decades make sure you read the issues to be aware of in chapter 5 of the release notes for each new release : https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ they contain vital changes you may want to do to keep your system more similar to a freshly installed one.
I agree, although I used to use it for a dev server and SSH in. It’s a great piece of kit!
what’s cool about it?
Debian is the most stable operating system ever, and it’s new version 12, is a really good OS.
What I liked was that it starts quick, never crashes, uses minimal system resources, and with GNOME has an excellent UI. Being a Linux OS that isn’t Ubuntu and isn’t Windows, it doesn’t spy on me.
Also love operating systems that use Bash or similar. I know how to drive them, I don’t know how to drive MSDOS.
I have a very powerful computer but the start time difference between Windows 11 and Debian is insane. Debian starts almost instantly.
I was specifically trying Debian as a gaming platform, so I installed Steam and GOG and a couple of Windows games running through proton. They worked really well.
In the end I had to go back to Window, because it’s just not there for me yet. Most games worked well, but a few have unacceptably low performance. It requires a bit of fiddling to get everything working right as well, because some of the defaults prevent people from just gaming.
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i tried mint a couple years back and had a similar experience as far as gaming went, yeah
Good point, adds to the mountain. I may just see if I could run a windows VM at this point tbh.
If you don’t play games like valorant, and only need windows for specific tasks then going with a windows VM is a good option.
We’re getting there! There’s still games that run much better on Windows, and some games still don’t have Linux support. But the numbers are shrinking like crazy (THANK YOU STEAMDECK, Steam is the best company for game health as a whole.)
Also with VR… well, I don’t actually know. I haven’t tried, but will my index be fully functional (and run as well) on Linux?
I switched to Pop!_OS recently and Windows runs faster in a VM
(because you’ve only installed the 1 app you need to run not your entire life, and then snapshot it after debloating so it’s always the same)
Yeah, I think I am going to setup a VM. I only need it for work due to Windows apps that would work just fine in a VM.
I am actually considering Qubes OS, which might take some work but overall would probably be a good seamless process.
How do you like Pop!_OS? I was looking at System76 computers one day and looked into it a couple years ago. Never gave it a try though, based off Ubuntu right?
Ubuntu/Debian base yeah.
It just worked out of the box for me and runs everything that kept me locked to windows so I’ve stuck with it.
I’ve run Handbrake in a VM because the linux version doesn’t allow setting the default folder for some reason but otherwise haven’t needed Windows in months. and as long as I don’t need to do anymore bulk trascoding I’ve probably seen the last of it.
Laughing from a PopOS Virtual Machine (I’m getting my AMD GPU soon, I’ll switch over fully then I promise!).
Thank god i use GNU/Linux
I use the N version of Windows and I never see any of this.
I understand some people need to use Windows for a variety of reasons, but I switched to Linux a while back and love it so much
What Distro? I use Ubuntu and sometimes tails for personal use. This weekend, I think I’m just going to setup a Windows VM instead and maybe try out Quebes if I can get that to work.
I only NEED it for a couple low resource applications, hell maybe it’ll run in wine.
I mostly use OpenSUSE :) Qubes seems really cool
The most infuriating thing about windows to me is the big stupid fucking red X on every single file, reminding me that I’m not currently storing my shit on someone else’s computer. Is there a way to remove that service from my computer entirely?
Uninstall onedrive
That’s what I did, it’s one of the few things that it does let you uninstall.
Disable Manage folder backup feature in OneDrive settings -> Backup -> Manage backup -> Stop backup on all folders, or toggle them off on newer version.
