A few examples include s*x questions on askreddit, “this” comments, nolife powermods, jokes being more frequent than actual answers
The toxic behaviour found in a lot of subreddits. Its an inevitable thing that it brews in communities or instances, but it’d be nice if Lemmy held itself above repeating the patterns of the lowest common denominedditor.
While I absolutely agree with you and would love to see a total absense of toxicity, that is a people issue, not a platform one.
Guaranteed Lemmy will be the same, and the bigger it grows the more you’ll see.
I think the whole “no life mods” thing got a bit overblown. Reddit communities flourished generally due to the ones that had good active moderation. Setting a consistent theme and tone for the subreddit and keeping the bad actors out. It takes a lot of work, they did it for free and we benefited.
The issue is when some people are mods for tons of major communities. That’s when it is overreaching.
A few examples include s*x questions on askreddit
Says sex questions on askreddit were a problem
Doesn’t even write the word sex
Yeah, I don’t think the sex questions were the problem, mate.
s*x questions on askreddit
Hopefully with LemmyNSFW instance, people would asked there instead on AskLemmy.
But one of the things I’m hoping for is less mean-spirited userbase and the “I am very smart” user. Sadly, it’s unavoidable as it’s the Internet and even irl, people act like that.
Pretty obvious but just plain being rude to one another. I felt like I was stepping on eggshells every time I posted on reddit, like whatever I said was going to be given the least charitable interpretation possible. Let’s be kind and polite to each other here
- I also chose this man’s ____, and my axe, “we did it”
- incessant reposts
- nazi’s / skinheads
- karma bait / outrage bait
- small handful handful of moderators overseeing hundreds of magazines. (Gallowboob situation)
Edit: Well, thanks for the gold kind stranger!
Not just frequent jokes, but those annoying ever-repeating jokes. Like as if 80% of users were the same person. Before opening any post on Reddit, there is a good chance to be able to correctly predict the exact content of a significant portion of the comments. I get that it can be funny to an individual to come across stuff like “I also choose this guys wife” or “And my axe” more than once. But for people like me, who did not just start using the website, it is really annoying to come across the same jokes literally hundreds of times.
This goes hand in hand with the general idea of a “Reddit hivemind”. Depending on the subs you visit, you can see that Reddits userbase is actually really diverse. There are people from every demographic with all kinds of different life experiences. But in a lot of subs, anytime a woman is mentioned there is a flood of people acting like as if there are no women on the internet and as if no person using Reddit could have a girlfriend. Again, I get that it can be funny once or twice. But when the idea that every user must be a typical “Redditor” gets repeated all the time it’s just annoying. Needless to say that I don’t look forward to being called a “Lemming” on this site.
Also, repeating comments on the same post. Obviously you don’t have to read all the comments if there are already hundreds of them. But if there are too many comments saying the exact same thing it just gets harder to read them all. So it would be nice if people would look whether the point they want to make maybe has been made already. They can increase that comment’s visibility by upvoting. No need to make other people read the same content multiple times and by that make it harder to read different comments.
Also, repeating comments on the same post. Obviously you don’t have to read all the comments if there are already hundreds of them. But if there are too many comments saying the exact same thing it just gets harder to read them all. So it would be nice if people would look whether the point they want to make maybe has been made already. They can increase that comment’s visibility by upvoting. No need to make other people read the same content multiple times and by that make it harder to read different comments.
This may be a little bit of an issue here as small instances (or frequently defederated instances) may not be aware of replies made on older comments. To see the whole reply chain of a comment you need to click the fediverse button (the rainbow star thingy on Lemmy web) and read the source. If people don’t do that they may legitimately not know that someone has replied with the exact thing they were about to reply with.
This, 11/10 would upvote again, just fucking take my upvote, btw is your wife single by any chance?
Take my upvote /s
Nice.
The old Lemmy switcheroo!
Hold my lemmings, I’m going in!
And my axe!
Thanks for the gold kind stranger!
Happy cake day!
And my axe.
I also choose that guy’s waifu body pillow (obviously women aren’t real)
Woman on the Internet? Nice try, FBI
And people immediately repeat the same patterns without understanding where they come from.
First, the difference is negligible between doing something ironically and just doing it. The “ironic” part stays with it, but becomes irrelevant almost immediately. The “/s” needs to exist for a similar reason. Generally it’s just better to not make the /s comment at all, but if you’re going to it should have the /s.
Second, if you have a couple hundred people read something and think the same response, one of them is probably going to type it.
Changing these things requires a culture shift where we encourage people to think about their comment adding something original rather than the first thing that comes to mind. You have to attack that root problem instead of the symptoms. Is it worth the effort?
First, the difference is negligible between doing something ironically and just doing it.
You get to feel superior to people who ~don’t get it~ and think you’re being unironic. That’s really it.
Kept scrolling to find this one. It was so tiresome to see the same joke repeated in multiple threads a day.
And I really love humor, but I’ll also add that everyone upvoting the joke or pun responses until they’re all at the top, and having to scroll to find the real content, was pretty annoying too.
The alternative realities allowed to exist in conservative or republican groups/communities.
I severely wish for this to not happen here. But I’m not naive, conservatives always follow and then start to destruct what others have created.
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I think it’s far more likely that there will be more of this. Lemmy instances already exist for various extreme political views. They might not be federated with the instance you’re using, but they definitely exist.
The nature of the fediverse, with no centralized control or oversight, will produce more such communities, not less.
Yeah but it also means they can fester and rot in their little holes. You dont have to worry about an administration that is obsessed with free speech like its a good thing letting a colony like exploding heads in if you join the correct instance
The problem with letting things fester is that they tend to grow and get worse while they’re out of sight/out of mind, until they eventually burst out and spread toxicity everywhere.
One of the benefits of free speech is that the nasty stuff gets exposed. When it’s exposed then you at least know where it is. The only problem is if the nasty stuff doesn’t get labeled as such so it can be dealt with, and instead is treated as if it were normal and allowed to continue spreading (e.g. police turning a blind eye to far-right gun nuts intimidating voters).
Burst out where? Into another instance that can get defederated? Into a million instances? Great. Spread that userbase as thin as possible. Defederate the most annoying ones.
The nasty stuff you are talking about is straight from Fox news. That’s a failure of American broadcasting standards, that you have an “entertainment” channel holding itself up as legitimate news.
If Fox was disallowed from calling itself news years ago, you would not have these problems. If Fox was put into subscriber only TV channels, you would not have this problem.
Fox was opt-out for viewers. Make it opt-in. Make hateful instances opt -in for the users.
Ultimately though we are only in control of our own spaces. If we control our spaces our lives get easier because of it. Knowing they exist and that the state and society as a whole is entirely disinterested in fixing that problem aside from half baked deprogramming ideas hasnt enhanced my life in any way. All i can do is carry protection from them, make sure my spaces treat them as an active threat and live my life.
Honestly, as long as they stay insulated from the rest of the fediverse, it’s not really any different than them spinning up a forum somewhere. It’s going to be a challenge for them to reach new people to warp to their worldview if they are largely kept away from everyone else.
And sure they might lurk in alt accounts to try their recruitment that way in the rest of the fediverse, but I feel like if it won’t be a default to be exposed to the rhetoric (like Reddit) all the time on most servers, since the vast majority aren’t going to want to connect to them, it will come across to potential recruits as exactly how extreme it actually is.
It’s going to be a challenge for them to reach new people to warp to their worldview if they are largely kept away from everyone else.
This only makes sense if you assume that new people would be funneled into extremist Lemmy instances from other Lemmy instances, but it’s far more likely that new people will be pointed toward such communities through other paths, and then they won’t be exposed to competing ideas.
Don’t misunderstand me - I’m not saying that hate speech, racism and sexism should be ignored or allowed to exist alongside other content on Lemmy. I am saying that trying to ignore that, separate ourselves from it, and pretend like it doesn’t exist and doesn’t affect us, is ultimately counterproductive.
they won’t be exposed to competing ideas
They wouldn’t be exposed to competing ideas if nobody defederates. They would subscribe to their own communities, where normal people would not participate, leaving only toxic ineffectual discussion.
Defederating is not ignoring the problem. It’s an active choice. It’s scooping the floaters out of the pool. It’s a clear message that bigotry is not tolerated. When they get bored of their hateful shit they can come and have manners and enjoy cat pictures with the rest of us.
I will decline being the counterpoint for this bullshit. It’s not a normal person’s responsibility to educate bigots.
One nice benefit of this method is that people who spend too much time in echo chambers eventually start sounding like raving lunatics, which hurts their credibility in the real world.
This is definitely a strength of federation.
Want to get rid of right wing communities and their fascist members? Defederate with the instances that host them.
Want to get rid of left wing communities and their commie members? Defederate with the instances that host them.
Want to get rid of hate communities and their toxic members? Defederate with the instances that host them.
You don’t need to completely close communities, you can just let people have those discussions in their own space, as should be their right. Centralised systems don’t really have this choice.
I think this too. Let them have their little corners of the internet so they stay away from the rest of us. If they want to use public spaces to talk about fucked up stuff and type up their plans like idiots, well, all the more reason to make it easier for watchdog groups to keep track of them. I think we should keep the upvote/downvote system. Maybe once a comment (or post) reaches a certain number of downvotes, it gets marked as hidden, instead of censored or deleted. That way the users can self-mod along with the mods. I don’t think there’s a need to tally votes outside of each individual comment/post, so we can get rid of karma which is nice
Repetitive over posting of same content (looking at you Dadario) across channels/instances.
Fake stories made up for engagement (be it poop stories or fake cum-related bullshit aimed at mouth breathing teens)
I’ll say the obvious… blocking WefWef and other apps that improve the user experience.
So I understand this correctly, you’re advocating for a “bad” UI “to keep out the normies?”
Read the title again, then read the comment again.
OK, I think I understand now. There were a few words missing in there that I needed for context.
“Don’t block third party apps that improve the user experience, as reddit has done.” Got it.
Yeee got it :D
Bad patterns to never repeat
You do not understand this correctly.
Got. How should I be taking this? Why would you block apps that improve the user experience to make something better
Karma bots for reselling accounts
i should have sold my account on reddit, would have made some money with helping destroying it.
No. Those sold accounts are generally used for evil things. If you’re lucky it’s just shill advertising, but the use is probably worse.
More evil than corporate shilling? Like… Government propaganda?
you need an undisclosed amount of Karma and an undisclosed amount of Days and to have your email verified and your account verified by 3 close friends. go fuck yourself
Asking questions that are asked all the time in a sub or are already answered in the wiki. Not doing even basic searching for information before asking.
Yeah I feel that disallowing re asking questions will lead to less discourse and fewer perspectives.
The only benefit to asking questions multiple times is that newer, possibly better solutions are recommended. I searched Reddit often for my questions and some posts worded questions better than others and some posts had wayyy better answers than others. People don’t go search previously asked questions so they can answer them. So I agree with you because it gets annoying after a time, but there is a benefit to having repeated questions asked. It’s difficult finding a balance for it.
I agree the balance is difficult and I agree asking later sometimes yields different results. My for instance about a sub and corresponding question asked endlessly is the privacy guides sub where people ask something like: “I’m using brave or firefox browser how do I be more private?”
Like my man you are on a discussion sub for a website literally full of instructions and recommendations with a link to that site pinned to the top of the sub. My goodness it can barely slap you in the face any harder.
It’s not as bad as it was but the question is so vague that it almost demands follow up questions like what country, what threat model and what OS? It’s not as bad anymore but it got super old and its the questions that are too general to be helpful and repeated hundreds of times over that really depressed me to read.
Found the stackoverflow mod
I say don’t try. One of the problems askreddit and other subs like showerthoughts had was that you had to follow an extremely restrictive set of posting guidelines to even have your post stay up.
I think we’re better off just letting the community upvote/downvote to maintain quality, rather than trusting powermods.
There are things specific to the function, look and feel of the site that are easily blockable from becoming part of this one (NFT avatars, medals, user karma, etc); but I am seeing a high trend of responses here that are not platform specific, and will happen organically anyway as they have done across every type of social platform, including real fucking life. The problem many people seem to have isn’t with Reddit. It’s with other people.
Edit: Uh… I just noticed this is not the thread I thought it was. The question really is about user behavior, not the generic “what from reddit do you not want on Lemmy” one. 🤦♂️
Rip for misreading the thread but I do agree with you regardless lol
Don’t assume anyone replying to you disagrees. They can be on your side even if there are minor differences between what you said and what they said. If they repeated the exact same thought, there wouldn’t be a point to replying at all.
It’s also worth remembering that is a public discussion. Often times a reply to your comment is not directed at you directly, but to the audience at large.
Mostly when I see this, it’s more an issue of the person getting angry at a reply didn’t actually read or comprehend the reply.
So many times I have seen someone basically repeat the exact same thoughts as a previous post, but used different words to express it and the person they reply to starts attacking them. Like, dude. Did you even read?
I disagree
Clever and hilarious unique thought
