Here is the evidence for all the people that think Democrats are angels and Republicans are devils. Both parties are two wings of US Nazi Eagle, and both have caused wars for 232 out of the 247 years USA has existed.
Oh cool modern day Iran-Contra is gonna happen but with more genocide
We live in a democracy
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- George Costanza
And other lies we tell ourselves.
Example: we don’t vote for the president or the people who actually elect him. Yet, we are bombarded with ads about which to pick! Why?
I mean, that’s not entirely accurate - a vote for a presidential candidate is a vote for the slate of electors tied to said candidate - effectively a vote for your candidate, albeit indirectly. Electors can, however, be required to vote according to popular vote as required by the state they’re electors in. Or they could have pledged to vote according to specific party. I don’t know for sure, but I assume state elector requirements override party pledges.
My understanding is that when it was devised, it was a compromise between direct democracy (which would honestly be potentially dangerous - how many people do you know where you can’t help but go, “Fuck… This guy can vote.”) and election via congressional vote. It certainly ain’t perfect and I have no bias towards it, but it’s a system like anything else that people tend to point at and blame when things don’t go their way or just ignore or even defend when things do go their way.
Biden is president. Things went my way. But let’s imagine that this was how you got lunch.
Hmm, Josh! I want a hamburger!.. okay buddy I promise I’ll bring you a hamburger. I’m just going to be your food delegate in the food acquisition team.
Josh! I want a salad! … and I want a spoon full of extra virgin olive oil!. Josh I want an apple! Hey Josh can I get some Doritos crushed in a bowl and mixed with jalapeno and chicken nuggets!
Then Josh goes to the big food acquisition meeting… My team wants a spoon full of extra virgin olive oil!
Then you wait half an hour and you get a turkey sandwich but you’re vegan so you eat the three onion rings.
70 percent of the office was vegan too, but only 5 of the food delegates were vegan. The other 20 were old timers that have been ordering the food for the past seven years. They like turkey sandwiches. So you get turkey sandwich.
I hope you enjoy your turkey sandwich 🥪. 😂 LOL. At least it wasn’t a lump of lard with a tupee.
The long, drawn out metaphorical explanation was unnecessary and frankly kind of condescending.
I’m not over here trying to be some champion of the electoral college and I’d be more interested in seeing a real push for ranked choice or one of its cousins.
The point I was making was that if you sat at home and didn’t vote at all, your chosen candidate would never see the inside of the oval office and I went into my understanding of why it is the way it is. Ultimately, voting under the current system is not entirely worthless as you seemed to claim in the original post I responded to.
We’ve had something like 59 elections in total and 5 of them involved the winning candidate losing the popular vote but winning the election by way of the electoral college. Only one of those elections - the very first - involved anything even remotely close to your example (but still not42.3% vs 31.6%). The other 4 had a difference of like 2% or less between the two leading candidates.
The electoral college was devised as a compromise between direct democracy and congressional voting and I’m sure it was done in good faith to try to make sure everyone was represented, but this system seems to truly show its cracks when we’re facing an insanely stark national split like we see today and there’s no argument that we should probably shake things up and get rid of it.
How about: No arms deals with any entity that indiscriminately murders innocent people, women, and children?
Shit no deals with Boeing, Northrup Grumman, etc.
Oh well, I’m certain they won’t bribe Congress to force their deals through… /s
What? Think about the BlackRock’s and Vanguard’s!
So practically every major power in the world?
yes
How about: No arms deals?
IMHO Putin is much more clearly in the wrong than either side of the Israeli conflict, which justifies arms deals that eventually end up in Ukraine.
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Nice no more police funding
Yay!
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No more government benefits for people that have abortions either.
Think of all the savings
Just yesterday Biden pulled $334M out of his arse for more police funding! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/biden-administration-announces-334m-to-hire-police-officers-improve-security-at-schools/ar-AA1jhl2b
Police at school lmao
Ain’t that illegal?
Genocide is illegal (I think, it’s kinda blurry for decades now). Don’t see those people concerned about it. I don’t think these people care about law. They bend it to their will, like they do with their tax-paying citizenry who vote and pay for them.
Genocide is illegal (I think, it’s kinda blurry for decades now). Don’t see those people concerned about it. I don’t think these people care about law. They bend it to their will, like they do with their tax-paying citizenry who vote and pay for them.
I’m not voting for this man a second time. No more harm reduction. I’m not degrading myself by voting for a genocide enabler.
Yay harm increases! Apathy means innocence.
You dropped this /s
Spoiler alert: This would have most likely happened regardless of the D or R next to the president’s name on the ballot.
There’s two reasons I could see the US supporting Israel regardless of who’s in charge: the logical one because it has historical precedent is that the US wants Israel as a buffer for Russia due to it’s strategic location in the Middle-East, and the other reason is more conspiracy theory but I wouldn’t be surprised if the US can somehow get access to Palestine’s oil if Israel beats the shit out of the Hamas.
Palestine doesn’t have any oil. There’s some offshore deposits in the Mediterranean but Israel already has full access to those.
Or third, Israel has invested a lot in American politics after Eisenhower used American economic power against Israeli allies in the Suez Crisis, seeing that it needed to be on good terms with at least one super power and the USA seemed like the more natural fit. This includes going as far as supporting any primary challenger that pledges Israeli support.
It was either that or go the way of its apartheid nuclear buddy, South Africa.
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Trump hates Netanyahu. He’s a fascist, but even he could see that Israel had no intentions of ever peaceably resolving the conflict.
There is no world in which trump would side with Palestine over Israel.
Do whatever you want. You’re a person behind a screen as am I. You aren’t going to change my mind on this. I’ve heard it for the past 8 years with Clinton then Biden. I cannot vote for people who support a modern day holocaust
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Why stop at here? They also want to let Russia destroy Ukraine. Both parties are going to support a genocide. Hell isn’t Republican supporting both?
Nah man Russia is kind of old news, arguably there was a build up from years ago, and yeah feelings change over time, but if you ask me, nobody really needs to suffer…
vote for one genocides or two. wonderful.
Just leave the president box blank then. Or find an independent who aligns with your values. Make your voice heard.
I don’t disagree. Will continue to vote locally, even nationally if the candidates align with my values and will keep voting for third parties. I just cannot justify a lesser evil to myself anymore.
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Man quit it with the “if you don’t vote for the guy I want you’re actually voting for the other guy”. I’m not voting for anyone. You want to secure my vote? Earn it. Don’t just be slightly less monstrous than the other guy
Who do you vote? The murderer or the rapist?
Neither. You don’t vote for either. That is the answer.
Then you spend 4 years roasting the imbeciles who installed the murderer/rapist as their leader.
You actually don’t vote for the president. Our vote is merely a suggestion. So vote freely and with confidence. Which criminal is your preferred president?
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That’s right, All Israeli citizens are culpable for the bombing Gazan civilians. Therefore they are all valid targets to stop genocide.
Who is more self righteous?
The man who refuses to vote for the one aggressively funding genocide or the one who martyrs the world on the guy who is aggressively funding genocide because he is “the lesser evil.”
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I told you my beliefs and I own it. You told me yours and you own it. Is this supposed to be some next level analysis, that I disagree with you? That’s usually how conversations work.
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I too welcome our next Republican overlord.
It’s no different.
The Party does what The Party does.
That’s why I’m shifting to voting for Republicans. Only one way to accelerate the enshittification of politics and that’s by electing religious nutcases that will enforce their system on everyone.
Being disappointed by one party then immediately latching onto the teat of the other party is exactly what The Party raised you to do.
Congrats on being a top notch bitch.
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Why do we want to accelerate it again? Honestly seems like some Russian “Keep America busy and out of conflicts” plan. I’d rather not vote in a group that will also make it harder to fix anything without a second civil war.
Mostly I’m just tired of smoothbrains complaining about the president when they are probably doing jack shit to change FPTP voting at their local, county and state levels. I know for some folks sarcasm doesn’t come across too clearly on the Internet.
Small steps, if a few big swing vote states move away from FPTP then we may see a paradigm shift in the national political system of the USA
Wee! We get full harm because you only want perfection at all times with no effort at all! Woohoo!
My effort is contributing to my community and the less fortunate. You think me bubbling in a check mark for someone who is giving the thumbs up for an ethnic cleansing and genocide is putting in work? Go outside.
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I really hope your 2016 vote went to an independent, then. I’m having a hard time seeing how Trump would ever do either of those things. Granted, he might thumbs-up an ethnic cleansing if it meant remaining in power.
I voted for Clinton and Biden. I’m done voting.
So fucking stupid and short-sighted.
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Go back to Reddit if you want pats on the back for not voting or voting for someone that wants to strip human rights.
I’ve always found it strange how people gatekeep internet culture. Especially when it’s meaningless in the face of a genocide. I don’t care about this perfect utopia you expected the fediverse to be. I will be firmly against genocide and will say it wherever I see fit.
It’s more that you talk like nobody else is against genocide. Nobody here wants genocide. Your “solution” is just a nothing burger. The reality is every government is pretty fucked up, some more than others. There’s no way to change the whole world order, so you try make it as less shit for as many people as possible, not just throw your hands up and say “I’m done with voting”.
“Things aren’t going how I like when I vote, so now i will encourage everyone to not vote to improve the chances that things will change the way I want them to”
I shared my opinion on a public forum.
I let perfect be the enemy of good.
I’m doing my part, for the Republicans!
People are always ready with some morality test but the cold hard truth is trying to enforce your absolutes on others is not going to work out. It just backs you into a corner supporting a turd sandwich. Compromises suck though. Can’t have that. You do you.
How is Biden a warmonger?
Did you forget his term as VP?
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That is your decision and I have nothing against it.
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I will stay dumb and ignorant if it means sticking to my morals of being anti-genocide. Thanks.
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Not saying I am, but voting for someone who enables a genocide goes against my values. If by childish you mean choosing what I want to do with my vote, then sure.
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Great, I’m telling you that it goes against my morals. You can effectively vote for whoever you want and I can effectively not vote for either. Are you going to tell me voting third party is a vote for Trump too?
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Whoever you vote for will support Israel. US ally and all.
Then I simply will not vote.
And then nobody becomes president.
Throwing trans, gays, women, poor people, minorities etc. under the bus because Biden who has called for a ceasefire in Gaza isn’t doing enough.
Not voting because the democrat isn’t left enough for you is an extremely privileged outlook to have.
Biden has not called for a ceasefire. He has called for a humanitarian pause until they can get hostages and foreign nationals out, so they can resume bombing. I’ll continue using my vote as my voice. You are free to do whatever you want.
Wait, that’s literally a cease fire though? He’s not calling for a peace agreement or truce. He’s calling for a temporary cessation of hostilities.
This exact attitude is how we got where we are. Don’t vote for policies you don’t believe in. There are other candidates, win or lose, vote for one that represents you.
This isn’t how we got here. The people that don’t vote tend to be left leaning. Republicans do vote, in mass. I fail to see how thinking not voting/voting third party is how we got here.
That’ll show 'em.
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Well that’s not suspicious at all.
This is taxation without representation
Honestly feeling like Trump is the lesser evil now… Genocide Joe has always been quite zealous in his support of Isntreal.
Nah that’s dumb, Trump wouldn’t try to stop this happening, at all. And even if he tried to do something out of pure contrarianism, this isn’t something that his handlers would let him fuck up
I think that’s grass-is-greener thinking and the lesson is that both the good cop and the bad cop work for the same police department.
Yeah maybe the guy who instituted a Muslim ban would be more supportive of the Palestinian people, good thought.
Okay, but imagine if Democratic Party was united against Trump in support of Palestinian people.
Without him in power to sharpen the contradictions, liberals fall into the trap of bipartisan consensus.
Consider Bernie and Fetterman’s statements. Mixed with the fact that only 17% of DNC staff signed the later asking Biden to pressure Israel to give a ounce of shit about people in Gaza.
If this was a Trump administration, we’d be ignoring what isreal is doing because we’d be fighting tooth and nail trying to protect Palestinians in America from being deported or placed into camps.
Bernie won’t even fucking endorse a ceasefire.
Fuck Israel. We shouldn’t be supporting them at all.
They would fold under even the littlest bit of BDS, but that’s not going to happen because the US sees themselves in Israel.
Thus why nearly every state has made it illegal for any company that works with the government to be BDS-positive.
At this point, I can confidently say that Israel controls America.
Claiming that Israel controls America is kinda anti semitic (not because it’s anti Israeli or anything ofc) because it’s basically a repackaging of the whole “Jews control the government” thing.
What’s actually happening is that Israel is a US puppet state thats been given free reign and a blank check to do as much fascism as it wants as long as it keeps protecting the US’s interests in the middle east. The US is still in control, it’s just choosing that rather than exerting that control to do anything to stop Israel it’s going to give it the go ahead to do whatever the fuck it wants instead.
Not quite true. Israel gets a lot of support from the US government because it’s a useful ally.
It’s the vanguard in the coveted Middle Eastern region (lots of oil) that is incidentally hated by everyone around them so you can easily use their status to provoke proxy wars, then invade and claim plausible deniability by saying you just helped out your ally.
Plus the delicious state surveillance tools
Nah fam. Miss me with that nonsense. Why would a tiny nation control the US? They have influence with American interests in many ways, but control it? It makes no sense. The only position that this would make sense from is the same antisemetic cabal bullshit. A small group controls the world alright. The wealthy, most of whom are white Christians. They control things, not Jews.
Other way around, they’re basically a US satellite state if anything. Biden said it himself, “if there wasn’t an Israel we would have to invent one.”
Here’s a graph showing the countries that voted most closely in line with the US in the UN across the past couple decades:
The three dots behind Israel are former US Pacific Island territories that are currently US puppet states and officially give away much of their sovereignty to America under COFA. If you exclude those three, Israel aligns itself with America miles ahead of any other country.
I can’t believe how many shitlibs there are in here, using this opportunity to guilt people with an actual conscience into voting for this piece of shit as if he has some sort of moral high ground.
What is the lesser evil when both the DNC and the GOP work directly for the exact same military industrial complex?
The real villain here is the system that makes any party outside of the two party system completely irrelevant: first-past-the-post.
We have two Republican parties. One of them just so happens to pretend better at being inclusive…but they secretly also wish that the poor could be burned to fuel their mega-yachts.
I do not think its “both are Republicans”, but both are centre-right neoliberal capitalist parties. I like to call them two wings of US Nazi Eagle.
Neoliberals have a very basic set of beliefs, like “rich=successful”, “leech and ignore the poor”, “capitalise on anything possible”, “be a both sides weasel” and so on.
What is the lesser evil when both the DNC and the GOP work directly for the exact same military industrial complex?
If you can have that plus corrupt democracy in America or that plus outright fascism in America, I’m not seeing how the choice is difficult.
My thing is, why are some people here just finally throwing away their votes?
Like I knew from a very young age that this country doesn’t care and will enthusiastically turn it’s back on you if your hardship is an inconvenience to capital in any way, look how they treat the ndns.
And if anything there is money to be made off our suffering.
This is why colonization anywhere is colonization everywhere. From the river to the fucking sea, Palestine WILL BE FREE
The one that isn’t taking away trans rights, making abortion illegal, and saying the last election was stolen, seems like the lesser evil actually. I can agree that I think our parties would be slightly better if first past the post was changed to allow for multiple parties, but i think it’s ridiculous to say both parties are currently the same. Edit: As I responded to thecrotch, I disagree with the assertion that the Dem party is evil. Flawed? sure, our 2 party system will only allow for flawed parties, but to say their evil is downright showing ignorance of US politics or disinformation given the examples that I gave.
Not to people overseas. There’s no difference between being indiscriminately murdered by a Republican or a Democrat to the people dying.
Democrats aren’t getting people killed, Republicans are by not allowing women to get medically necessary abortions. To people over seas, seeinh one group deny the existence of covid, make abortions illegal, and passing laws restricting lgbt+ peoples rights is obviously the evil one.
I’m sure that the people in Syria who are being bombed and the people in Palestine who are being bombed by Israel using US dollars really care about our domestic politics as they watch their families get blown to shreds.
Democrats aren’t getting people killed
What do you think starting wars in the middle east does? Or do you not consider those people to be human.
They don’t have to be the same to both suck. The lesser evil is, by definition, evil.
You’re right, what I should have also added to my post was that, I disagree with the assertion that the Dem party is evil. Flawed? sure, our 2 party system will only allow for flawed parties, but to say their evil is downright showing ignorance or disinformation for the examples that I gave.
Democrats voted for Afghanistan, Iraq, the Patriot act, and countless other evil legislation. They’re absolutely evil. So they’re less evil than the Republicans, so what? Should I give them a cookie?
You’re like 20 years behind, catch up. Give them a cookie? Give them your vote. The alternative is republicans who RIGHT NOW, IN THIS YEAR are attempting to restrict abortions, deny the elections, restrict lgbt+ rights. Democrats are fighting against that. But yeah you’re right maybe split you’re vote because both sides “are the same”.
I didn’t say they’re the same. They don’t have to be the same to both suck. Fuck you for telling me how to vote. You got a lot of nerve.
The person you’re responding to isn’t wrong, but you do whatever you feel is right.
No, but you should still vote for them. What else can you do? Vote independent? Change the world?
My state is reliably going to be won by the same party no matter what I do, and that party is going to get 100% of our electoral votes no matter what I do. So I vote third party, because if they can get 20% of the popular vote they get to be in the debates next time around. Living in a locked down state, it’s the only way my vote can possibly have a chance of making any difference.
But less evil.
Also by definition.
Who the fuck wants more evil?
Fine, vote your conscience. I was replying to a guy who said Democrats aren’t evil. That guy is wrong. Less evil doesn’t mean not evil.
And your argument is that someone already called them evil.
My argument is that they are evil. I made that argument to someone who said that they are not evil. Do you have a point?
Restating the conclusion is not what constitutes an argument.
If they’re both equally evil internationally and mostly equally evil domestically, am I allowed to vote for who is less likely to remove more human rights from women and trans people?
I would never tell anyone that they should vote, I understand people’s reasons for not doing it. Selfishly, I’m going to give myself the best chance of having access to life saving health care until I’m no longer of child bearing age.
Of course! I’m just standing up to speak my mind. We all are allowed to vote exactly as we see fit. I live in MA where I have the opportunity to vote with my conscience, but in a place like AL, SC, or KY, my strategy wouldn’t be helpful to those groups of people.
The two party system makes democracy in the US an absolute sham.
In terms of federal representatives, that’s rather like a poor white German supporting the Strassers.
If Hitler had actually held an election and the only options were him or a Strasser party, I don’t think it would be immoral to vote for the Strassers. But I also don’t think it would be a moral obligation if you had no reason to believe they would stop the Holocaust.
A vote for Hindenburg was indeed a vote for Hitler, so I think the moral is that caping for a lesser evil instead of trying to build good (and those two things are normally opposed) is not a constructive behavior. I couldn’t give less of a shit who you personally vote for, that’s the consumer-lifestyle version of political engagement. I do care somewhat what you advocate for, because promoting the lesser evil is still promoting evil over good (using the overly moralistic phrasing of the adage).
Withholding support from Nazis (on any substantial level) is plainly the better option if you want to not need to keep choosing between two Nazis.
A vote for Hindenburg was indeed a vote for Hitler
How so? Hindenburg was Hitler’s biggest political adversary and refused to pronounce Hitler chancellor until 2 consecutive elections failed.
The 1932 election had a communist option, it’s unlikely that there will be one on my ballot.
We’re not going to overthrow fascism in America at the voting booth. I’m not trying to convince anyone to vote for Biden, that’s his job and he’s not doing it very well. I’m also not going to shame anyone for doing something easy like voting in the hopes that it makes them a tiny bit safer.
I would shame someone if they thought that voting democrat is a step towards bringing about positive change or parroted some bullshit about how we can get more concessions from Democrats than Republicans. If voting is the extent of your political engagement, you aren’t opposing fascism.
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So called “free speech” liberals when someone is mean to them.
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Calling out libshit isn’t spewing hate and vitriol, thin-skinned cracker. If you want to be passively fascist without any pushback, go back to reddit. Or better yet, take this as an opportunity to grow as a person and realize that your world view is not only unpopular, it’s also evil.
You don’t get to suppress ideas that threaten your ego, that’s not how things work here.
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I’ll give you a month before you’re back to normal. Everyone takes time to detox from that shitty website.
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Oh no! I mean poopoo libs for those that can’t handle a little reality on neoliberalism. Ps. I’m not name calling. I’m making a point. BrooklynDad and Charlotte Clymer are examples of DNC shitlib’s from Twitter that did the exact same two party guilt trip.
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Your neoliberalism brings to Lemmy the worst toxicity from Twitter. Hold your head in shame.
I had missed being gaslighted by mature adults that also just so happened to be on the Progressive Policy Institute’s astroturfing payroll about being a horrible piece of shit if I didn’t hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils that screw their constituents in exactly the same way as the “bad guys” but do it with a smile. Go tell David Brock to transfer you to a new department.
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Did you forget that I can see your comment history? I’m going to do the right thing and block you once you read this. Please try to keep in mind that you are a supposed leftist who likes to shame other leftists who aren’t willing to compromise like you are. If you consider me toxic for pointing that out, maybe go touch some grass and sign off for a while.
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You can instantly spot the pro-fascist pro-Russia tankies by this single word. And the comments just ooze peak toxicity while trying to act like some moral authority. They literally can’t help themselves but call names because I’m pretty sure 99% of them are actually children
I’m a tankie!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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If you care about nuance, I’m a libertarian socialist/anarcho syndicalist (Chomsky-ite) who thinks that democratic socialism MIGHT POSSIBLY lead to a more just society than the corruption extravaganza that we have. Sue me if I don’t fit the tech bro libertarian Jordan Peterson fanboi or fake leftist IT guy archetype that comprises the rest of the Lemmy population.
Nuance nonces on their way to defend nazi war criminals.
Sorry, it’s the rules. I have to post that everyone someone uses that word.
No, we have Eisenhower Republicans, and Nazis.
I’ll grant you that.
Fascists. Not all fascists are Nazis, but all Nazis are faschists. They’re like squares and rectangles.
This is nonsense. MAGA is a fascist movement. Don’t let both being neo-liberal blind you.
Both are fascist, the only difference is where the fascism is pointed. That’s why you’ll see a lot of fake leftists support Biden, because they don’t care about the world all they care about are themselves.
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Your definition of fascism is hilariously wrong
Neoliberalism is exactly the economic policies of fascism. Just because they have “civility” aesthetics doesn’t change that
This is your feeling, no fact.
It is a fact that the economic policies of Nazi Germany were mass privatization and public-private partnerships, both of which are the hallmarks of neoliberal policy. Your denial of this is factless. Not that it matters to you, because you don’t care about facts. You’re just an empty headed smuglord with Facts and Logic™ aesthetics
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
To me, it sounds a whole lot like both Biden AND Trump can be considered fascists….especially with this idea of secret military aid to Israel that I’m reacting to here.
Looking at it from an economic definition perspective though Biden represents the financial bourgeoisie and Trump represents more industrial bourgeoisie
I’d actually argue that Trump comes from the real estate bourgeoisie but I agree on the Biden characterization. Biden never saw an MBNA donor contribution that he didn’t love (like in 2008 when he sold all future generations out for a $250,000 payout from MBNA).
I just don’t see how real estate wealth translates to industry. In general, many of Trump’s areas don’t fully align with the Republican establishment who, in my observation, generally are from real estate, energy, and industry as you mentioned.
Thinking about it more, it seems like real estate has a lot of overlap in both parties.
Trump obviously comes from real estate, but his current money-making on a direct level is decidedly media-driven. The question is who gives him money and who benefits from his policy, and I think the answer is that he has a relatively larger amount of support from the petite bourgeois.
Yeah that’s true. They found a cash cow in him, though I’d still consider him an outsider (especially after his political capital has been used up).
High fixed capital
And yet the United States continues to slide into fascism despite having elected Biden. What horrific Trump era policies did the Democrats even bother to repeal after they won in 2020 and held both the senate and the house?
They are still funding the construction of border wall segments. They never repealed the Republican tax cuts. They have done nothing about the concentration camps on the southern border for fuck’s sake. They never codified Roe v. Wade, we literally lost the right to abortions while Biden was in office. They could have stacked the supreme court but they didn’t.
The Democrats and the Republicans form an obfuscated one party system in the US. Republican leadership aggressively ramps up the oppression of marginalized people, then Democratic leadership does nothing to restore our rights nor proactively prevent the same thing from happening again. Instead they just use their time in office to suck all of the energy out of people’s movements that could actually effect change.
And much more importantly than all of that, Republicans and Democrats are virtually identically evil when it comes to foreign policy. When the US is dropping bombs on you and destroying your country, you’ll tend not to care whether it was a Red MAGA or Blue MAGA administration pulling the trigger.
In some specific cases it might be worthwhile to vote for Democrats in local elections where there exists much more leeway for politicians to stray from the party line, but voting for them in national elections is just lending your voice to legitimizing their bullshit good cop/bad cop routine they play with the Republicans.
Yes, that is a feature of democratic systems. Parties want to get voted in. So they bend their programs to achieve that goal. I live in Germany and here all parties are leaning further and further to the right, since the AfD (nationalist-conservative, some party members Neo-nazi) party is gaining in almost every poll.
Yes, that is a feature of *bourgeois dictatorships.
All your parties are moving right because the bourgeois-national interest demands far-right responses to capitalist decay. I wonder how many German investment bankers had their portfolios rattled by “Israel’s” instability? There is no democracy here, we’re just around to work the machines and to make sure the bloody butcher gets paid. What democracy can be found in a state tries to hide a genocide from the public? What legitimacy can a democracy have when it’s been so corrupted by a foreign power (“Israel”) who can force us to war? The democratic thing to do would be to drag those responsible for this into the street for public trial and execution.
If all that was at play here was mere democracy, we’d have an M4A candidate. The population is solidly to the left of either party on the majority of issues, but they get no voice because liberal democracy is an exercise in choosing between the options that capitalists have picked for you.
Your bubble is.
This is much less snappy than it is grammatically ambiguous.
Let me rephrase: “Your echochamber is”
Hear hear!!! My sentiments exactly! Thanks for putting it into words better than I could have.
It’s a bipolar world buddy and your mind and body is sport for the hunters lol
i can’t see any of them, which means a lot of them must have been banned already from hexbear lol lmao
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Went and checked the lemmy.ml version of the thread, and they sure weren’t lying about the shitlibs.
Glory to the moderators
Maybe I should switch to hexbear. I feel like I’m on 2016 Twitter, arguing with Neera Tanden’s astroturfing PPI team and they’re trying to brainwash other leftists to think that Single Payer is somehow bad.
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Genocide Joe feeling the heat in the polls.
Genocidin’ Biden.
But during some of those conversations, managers have told staffers they should not expect to influence U.S. policy on Israel-Palestine regardless of their national security chops, according to five current and one recently departed State Department officials who talked to HuffPost.
Keep in mind, that Biden has asked for a humanitarian cease fire in Gaza. This information is like fresh of last night, so I don’t expect news agencies to catch up fast.
It looks like Biden is lagging behind public opinion on this one, but he is turning course.
What that means going forward will depend on how much aid is let in Gaza by Israel.
Asking for a cease fire to move people out. Nothing about them being able to return to their homes or land.
Hitting the breaks on this whole mess is the first step. I will most certainly not call this a victory for just beginning.
But at least now the people in power understand that this is a problem. Versus the previous mindset of:" kill all humans, full speed ahead."
Forcing people out of their homes so that they can be occupied by Israel isn’t hitting the brakes, it’s accelerating it.
Biden is specifically avoiding the term “cease-fire”:
The White House has refused to call for a cease-fire but has signaled that the Israelis should consider humanitarian pauses to allow civilians to receive aid and for foreign nationals trapped on the strip to leave Gaza.
Yeah, but probably because using the term would cause major political problems for him.
It’s like the war on drugs but worse. Technically the US doesn’t really have a horse in the race so to speak. I doubt that the USA, nor the oil giants across the Middle East are inclined to involve themselves in a potential paradigm shift of global politics into WW3 directly after the disaster that was Trump’s election loss and subsequent social disorder.
Personally although I feel like a one state secular, democratic solution but with multiple internal use passports would suit the whole lot of them better. If you choose to carry card X y or z you become the subject to a different set of religious rules return unique benefits. You can theoretically try to carry all three but you’re going to have a hard time computing let alone complying with all of the religious rules all the time.
If we ignore the humanitarian issue of the bombings so to speak, because war, like hell is a gift in itself by all measures, I think the fairest solution would simply be for the most stable, responsible and directly involved guy in the room - Benny boy, to pay up and fix his own shit he’s created by actually building more homes and infrastructure on both sides of the fence and giving the Palestinians a card printing system, redraw the lines on the map and let them decide their own laws, rather than kicking people out of their homes and bulldozing stuff without a plan, creating a system of displacement which realistically nobody wants, just to let the terrorists come back and make pipe bombs and other weapons from the scraps.
Hopefully someone found my verbal diarrhoea to be constructive
Which shows you America Is ran by foreign interests.
Biden said something like: “If there was no Israel, we’d have to invent it.”
The US loves having a highly militarized, violent, totally amoral and 100% US-dependent proxy next to all those oil fields. The last thing the US wants is peace in the middle east. This is just divide-and-conquer 101.
Isntreal is not controlling USA, its the opposite. USA sees a microcosm of their own in Isntreal, sharing the exact same kind of genocide and settler colonisation, be it Native Americans or indigenous Palestinians.
Other way around. Israel is a us proxy state
