GM Says It’s Ditching Apple CarPlay and Android Auto for Your Safety::undefined
I just want to buy a 90’s car without a stupid iPad bolted to the dashboard, an electronically actuated parking brake, or hundreds of worthless, permanently enabled nannies keeping me from doing what I want to with my own car and making repairs hundreds more expensive than they should be.
I have a 2019 car, manual transmission, knobs and switches for climate and heated seats, and a touch screen for carplay. It’s the best.
My 07 Accord is all old school. I installed a bt adapter and I’m happy as fuck.
I love the ones that pop up as soon as you start driving that say “keep your eyes on the road!” 🤦♂️
Imagine being able to buy a brand new 90s Corolla for 10k. That’d be nice
I recently saw a 94 corolla with like 2400 miles on it while car shopping online. I guess it just got bought, parked, and forgotten about. It was in spectacular condition.
It was also $26,000.
It was a Honda Accord iirc. Saw the same post…
I don’t want to even rent a car without CarPlay. Good luck with that GM.
there is a strong demographic of us which hate that shit. knobs and switches gang
Some are better than others. You can control CarPlay without touching the screen in Mazdas for example.
CarPlay exists fine with knobs and switches. It’s just a solid integration for playing audio and having a solid GPS view with Apple Maps/Google Maps/Waze. It doesn’t inherently require giving up knobs and switches.
Do do I, but those two things are not mutually exclusive
I don’t think you’re using the word “strong” correctly.
Anyway, all you have to do is just NOT plug your phone onto the car.
Interesting… 🍿
I’m ditching ever considering them for a vehicle purchase for my own sanity.
Fucking OEM infotainment systems are bullshit and I will never buy a car ever again that doesn’t support CarPlay and Android Auto.
It doesn’t even really need that.
All we actually need is a Bluetooth receiver, maybe a FM radio for backup.
I would be 100% fine with that. If I want my car to have a screen, I’ll stick my phone to the dashboard somewhere.
My current car has a regular double DIN head unit in it, which I can take out and replace at will (or just replace with a big 3D printed pocket for all I care). I am dreading ever having to purchase a newer car, because I know it’s going to be wall-to-wall integrated proprietary electronic bullshit blaring in my face and nagging for subscriptions all the time and it’ll be impossible to disable or remove.
I have a car with the bullshit.
The built-in Bluetooth is laggy, and this on what was a high end car at the time.
Glad I got it for less than half of new price.
People ask me why I have so many motorcycles. Lots of reasons, really.
But I think I just decided on a new one. All of my motorcycles have no bullshit. A full manual riding experience; one engine, two wheels, the road, you. End of list. Two of them are fancy enough that they include a clock. That’s the full extent of rider distraction features.
Two of them are fancy enough that they include a clock.
Man after my own heart!
I have one of those, it’s a nearly 30 year old motorcycle, engineered in the 80’s. Still gets 30mpg all day long. Gets more if I’m easy on the throttle and doing longer trips. But the clock is rarely right (battery is often dead cause I’m lazy).
My only complaint is bloody carbs. Uggh. Those things are 19th century black magic (and I grew up working on engines with carbs, so I understand, but loathe them). Fuel injection was a game changer for automotive reliability. Fortunately you can buy add-on FI for most car engines, and it just works.
Android Auto / Car Play Nav systems are the best though. Although the stock one has a HUD on mine.
Good choice. We have a 2023 Suburban for work, robot didn’t seal our passenger door correctly, steering wheel misaligned from factory, they installed a broken door panel on the rear passenger second row door, electrical gremlins make the auto mirrors adjust randomly, backup system sees ghosts. Absolute embarrassing they ask $80,000 for this. We got it brand new with zero miles.
I considered the Suburban but ultimately chose the Ford Expedition Max. I’m glad I did, I couldn’t be happier with it. Android Auto is on all the time. No issues whatsoever. Got it new in '21.
Tbh I was already no longer considering them. My previous car was GM and got junked before 10 years were up. Now I’m driving a Nissan still going strong (edit: on year 10 right now), haven’t even had any major problem yet (knock on wood). By year 7, the GM had a replacement engine, clutch and starter. And I was living with the fuel gauge not resetting to zero properly when it started so having no idea how much fuel was in the tank until the low fuel light came on.
This experience has been so much better that it will take a lot to get me to consider an American brand over a Japanese one.
One of many reasons I will never consider a new car. My old one has an aftermarket Android stereo that blows all the OEM ones out of the water, and it needs zero internet access. All I need is Spotify, AntennaPod and Magic Earth.
As if I needed another reason to not buy a GM.
“We are dropping carplay and android auto because mobile phones distract the driver”
But the dashboard looks like this
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This is an deal breaker. I usually buy GM but now it looks like Ford now
Tim Babbitt, GM’s head of product for infotainment, gave MT a better explanation at a press event for the new Chevrolet Blazer EV, the flagship vehicle in the no CarPlay or Android Auto strategy (and our 2023 MotorTrend SUV of the Year winner). According to him, there’s an important factor that didn’t make it into the fact sheet: safety. Specifically, he cited driver distraction caused by cell phone usage behind the wheel.
How exactly will this disincentivize phone use? Wouldn’t this encourage hands-on phone use instead of using a UI that limits interaction?
I feel like this is a solvable engineering problem.
Sounds more like an excuse to double down on their own “infotainment” development.
I thought ford had a garbage interface until I drove a gm. They’re about to officially be an old fart car only. No one below 40 will buy a car without apple or android interfaces.
Hyundai and Kia it is, then.
Their warranty isn’t a sign that their cars are good, it is a ploy to make you think their cars are good.
… What did that have to do with warranty?
Kinda middle of the pack overall, but they’re our ahead of every American manufacturer, so there’s that.
They started the 100k warranty to build confidence after their engines were failing do a design flaw they blamed on a manufacturing error found in 1.2m cars. They screwed owners by not replacing the engines due to mileage, then they upped the mile limit after the owners spent thousands replacing the engines with used ones that had the same design flaw. Why used and not new? The new engines, that still had the same design flaw, were backordered for 6 months or more.
They have almost 4m recalled vehicles going from present to 2010 because of random fires on multiple components and have instructed owners not to park indoors.
Their hybrids have an active louvered grill that opens with an electric motor which is not weatherproofed, which can cause the grill to stay closed and cause thousands in damage when water gets in it and the car overheats.
Seeing the problems I have seen with them while working automotive means I could never recommend someone buy one due to their consistent poor design and lying about their engine failure cause.
They had the 100k warranty long before the theta engine debacle.
I had one of those engines. 6 month wait for a rebuilt one where I couldn’t drive my car. Got the new engine, and the same problem developed a mere WEEK later. I basically had to walk from a freshly paid off car and get another car loan :( they have decades of proving themselves to do before I’d ever even consider buying one again. I fell for the “but their quality has really improved” BS once now.
I felt so bad telling people what the situation was. Ya’ll got screwed so hard.
I think the best they can do is the Genesis line. I only say that because looking at how they are engineered is leagues better than Hyundai/Kia. They are more like a German car than an Asian car. I still wouldn’t own one though.
Their expected reliability is lower.
Currently, this a dealbreaker for me. As in I won’t buy a vehicle that does this, or charges me a subscription fee for a built in feature like heated seats.
What they mean is that you have zero reason to pay GM $20 a month for their substandard, unsecure garbage navigation and cloud services, and that’s not allowed.
Good reason to continue my GM boycott of their garbage vehicles.
GM is seriously so fucking trash. Everyone I have ever known with a GM product had seriously regretted it within 6 months.
I own a 2001 pickup and the transmission went once. Other than that no major repairs in the 15 years I’ve owned it.
Thousands of broken sun shells in that era
I’d say their truck drivetrains are second to none in terms of quality (and wildly popular in the modding community) but the rest of their lineup is straight cheap junk.
I’ve put 160,000 miles on my Impala. I’ve had to replace a vent solonoid once, took like 10 minutes in the driveway. Also had an evap solonoid go bad. Other than that it’s been oil, brakes, and tires. 8 years on and still my daily driver.
Just like every other brand, you have to know which models, years, bodystyles, powertrains, etc have excessive issues and avoid them, then hope you don’t get the 1/100 that’s a lemon.
Has anyone jailbreaked one of these cars? Can you install your own OS on them? Seems like that should be doable.
That would be highly not recommended.
The Car Radios these days are so integral to the functionality - you’re likely to brick (total) your car.
Makes me miss the days of “plug n play” radios like give me a slot connected to speakers for my stuff, don’t connect it to the car unless it’s to the OBD2 port and shows me diagnostics of everything while I’m driving
Even if they manage to get big players like Spotify to develop apps for them, a lot of people - at least on the Android side - have smaller, niche apps for audiobooks and podcasts that would never bother to port their apps to GM services. Heck, even Apple Music and YouTube Music wouldn’t bother. I smell an upcoming BOGO deal on their overstocked dealerships, just before they get another bailout check.
Also, what will that look like 10 years from now when “popular app of 2024” is dead and gone, and new thing has no reason to build an app for a 10 year old car. Theres a reason why people like these mirroring systems to much, let the device that is likely to be replaced every 2 or so years and get regular updates handle the software.
I said it above, but it’s worth repeating that they’re doing the exact same thing that TV manufacturers do with their shitty stores filled with outdated apps versus regularly updated third-party solutions like Roku and Firestick. Shit like this means developers have to spread themselves thin to maintain multiple different versions rather than focusing on one, which usually results in the niche versions getting neglected or quickly slapped together.
They’ll probably just form android auto or something and roll their own. So you can still probably use android apps.
I would be surprised if the tablet itself isn’t already running Android. It has to run something, and it definitely isn’t iOS.
Just put an aux port or a tape deck in. I’ll be okay.
Or just an fm radio & a Bluetooth FM transmitter
