I have a couple of old laptops lying around and want to throw them away, but have been cautious to do so because of privacy concerns of data still on the hard drives. What is the best way to wipe them? Or should I take them out and physically destroy them?
They are running windows vista and 10 I think.
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There’s a program called Darik’s Boot and Nuke.
Use that.
The only way to completely erase all data beyond recovery is to destroy the disk e.g. snap in half and move a powerful magnet above it.
The easiest options in order of effectiveness, and how to bypass them:
- Do nothing.
- Reset Windows or erase all files you don’t want to be found. To recover from this you need a specialised piece of software that will recover the files, but not the names or locations, so while the actual data is easily recoverable, the person would need to sieve through most files you’ve had in your PC since forever with no order.
- Zero the disk, my way to do this would be to boot a Linux USB and run for example
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
, this will delete EVERYTHING on that disk, including windows, partition table and the bootloader. The way to recover from this involves specific hardware and a sterile lab, unless the authorities are investigating you it’s very unlikely someone will recover from this. - Multiple passes with zeroes and random data, the way I would do this is the same as above but use
/dev/urandom
for theif
parameter, run it multiple times, then run once with zeroes. Theoretically it could be possible for the same lab as before to recover some data if the machine ran out of entropy and didn’t wrote actual random data, and someone could predict the random data and compensate for it on the residual magnetic field, but it’s highly unlikely. Almost no one would be able to recover this, and if someone can they will charge A LOT. - Physical destruction, e.g. drill a hole or smash the disk for an HDD, break the chips for an SSD.
All of that being said, why throw it away? Why not sell it or use it to self-host something cool like a media centre or a steam machine if the laptop is good enough.
Geez at the answers in the thread. Boot off a USB drive with Linux, right click the HD, and simply format the drive. Not a quick format, you may have to unselect that. You’ll know because a quick format will take seconds, a full format will take an hour (depending on the size of course).
Then donate the laptops. Donation place should be able to install Linux. Most people don’t need much laptop.
Hmm, what does that full format do? Write zeros over everything?
Personally, I would run
shred
on the root filesystem. It’s a tool specifically intended for properly deleting data (overwrites it with random data multiple times).Yes.
Even writing 0’s takes hours per TB sometimes. Guess it depends on how much time you have
It took maybe 10 minutes or so for a 256 GB hard drive for me, if I remember correctly.
That was an SSD, though, so yeah, mileage would definitely vary on an HDD.
If you live near an active volcano, dumping them directly into the core should be pretty effective
If Gollum doesn’t try to stop me…
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Use vericrypt to encrypt the drive with a long random password and immediately forget said password
Laughing at all the Hollywood shit in this thread. A single pass erase (or ATA Secure Erase, if they are SSDs that support the command) is more than enough. Nobody is going to waste time and money recovering data of unknown provenance from a landfill.
HDDs also support ATA Secure Erase, although it will take a few hours rather than the few minutes it would wirh an SSD.
Yes, unless they are OPAL, in which case it’s done the same way as SSDs: throw away the key.
I like to take the hard drive(s) out and either drill holes in them or beat them to pieces with a big hammer.
Dear old Dad worked in IT, and he had a clearly marked “hard drive eraser”. It was a 20 pound sledgehammer.
Doesn’t that still leave most of the data on it? You don’t even bother erasing the drive first?
It takes far more work to recover data off of smashed platters than Joe the average users data is worth. There’s very few ways to make that data completely nonrecoverable. Even zeroing the drive isn’t 100% safe from someone with the right resources and knowhow. Just smashing the platters makes data recovery enough of a pain that it’s almost never worth it.
Data on a HDD that’s been overwritten with zeros or random data is unrecoverable with all known current technology.
In theory it might be possible to recover something with some future tech that hasn’t been invented yet, which is why the DOD standard requires erasing with multiple passes, but there isn’t currently a (publicly known) way of doing it.
SSDs are a bit tricky because of wear levelling, but usually two full overwrites of a SSD makes it just as unrecoverable.
I don’t see how much data can be recovered from broken, bent pieces. If you’re really concerned, you can use a torch to raise a magnetic platter until it glows, this raises it above it’s curie temperature so all the magnetic particles stop being magnetic.
Depends on the type of drives and your needs.
If the drive is big enough to be used as storage/back, get it out and in its own USB enclosure.
If the drive is either too small or you have too may already then :
- SSD : smash it to pieces with a hammer
- HDD : if you’re sure it’s not an hybrid (in which case the SSD process applies) then you can just fill it with garbage or use whatever “erasing” software out there. I would go for an open-source one.
A muktipass erase is the right choice.
To do this, you will need to boot the laptops from something other than the internal hard drive. I would download a Linux distro and put it on a usb drive. Boot them from the USB then wipe the internal drives using a secure option.
‘zeroing’ every sector is probably ‘good enough’ for mechanical hard drives.
if the laptops are functional:
boot a target laptop to a windows install disk or usb. at the first prompt, hit SHIFT-F10 to open a command window.
diskpart
list disk
select disk 0
(laptop internal drive should be disk 0)clean all
(this will take time. on an older laptop, up to maybe an hour per 250gb of hdd capacity.)exit
power off.
if they’re NOT functional laptops:
remove the hdd (search the make and model at yt for guides), connect to another pc (via usb adapter) or internal inside a dt. boot to that system’s normal windows, run diskpart from an admin command prompt… do the same as above but note that in this case: IT WON’T BE DISK 0 – be sure to ‘select’ the correct disk
if one of them happens to be an ssd. instead of wiping it (this method isn’t for ssd, btw), get an enclosure for it (as little as $8-10) and use it as an external disk.
Very helpful, thanks!
Pull the drive and use it as a target
It depends how badly you need that data to never see the light of day again. Most likely, you’ll be fine to erase the drives with secure erase options (where it writes 0 and then 1 to the whole drive, and back and forth a few times depending on settings), but if you really really need to 100% guarantee there’s absolutely no chance of recovery, then you’ll need to destroy the drives physically
There is nothing extremely sensitive on there, but the more time I spend on lemmy (as a bit of a tech noob) the more I care about privacy
In that case, secure wipe should be more than enough
also, if you’re getting rid of them, there might be a charity you can donate them to rather than just tossing them. Idk any off the top of my head, but it seems worth looking into