• Beemo Dinosaurierfuß
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      You are all over the place.

      But I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and reply to your specific points.

      Corporations have been stealing ever since the dawn of time, anyone working under a big company willingly is not the one to blame

      That is a strawman argument.
      In most societies people are more or less forced to work for some employer, so I think it is hard to blame a worker for the company he works for.
      And additionally I think one can blame a worker if they choose to work for the ethically worst companies.

      Is your only basis of hating 90% of the world’s population is that they believe in a god?

      That is very insulting.
      I don’t hate religious people, my mother is deeply religious and I truly love her.
      But she is misguided and gives time, effort, believe and most of all money to an organization that still to this day promotes homophobia, suppresses women and staunchly defends child rapists.

      I don’t like that and I won’t stop criticizing it.

      but everyone knows its a matter of choice and you can’t prove that god doesn’t exist

      Off course it is your prerogative to believe in god.
      I wouldn’t ever want to ban you from believing in whatever you want.

      But you shouldn’t be surprised if people put you in the same category with people believing in a flat earth or something like that.

      If you just choose to believe random stuff without evidence than it is only natural that your opinion is not taken seriously.

      It is not like there are two equally valid theories about what to believe.
      One group believes in things if there is proof and one group believes in things because some dude from the bronze ages wrote it down.

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          Nobody is saying that people should be judged by their religion. People here are saying Religion itself encourages anti-science and bigoted views.

          Secondly, it’s absolutely unscientific to believe that the lack of disproof is sufficient evidence for belief. This is fundamentally unreasonable and is just as much proof as saying that pigs can fly when nobody observes them.

          No, religious people are not morally wrong for being religious, and they are not to blame. Religion itself is.

            • Cowbee [he/they]
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              121 year ago

              No, that is not what I’ve said.

              Believing firmly in a hypothesis without confirmation of said hypothesis is not sound. Again, pigs flying when nobody can see them, and firmly believing in it.

              This gets additionally dicey when religion is used as a tool to restrict women’s rights, and uphold homophobia, transphobia, and racism.

              The scientific method works by creating a hypothesis, and testing it to verify. It does not work by creating a hypothesis and firmly believing in it until its disproven. You take an agnostic approach until confirmed one way or the other.

        • Beemo Dinosaurierfuß
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          121 year ago

          Hey first and foremost, thanks for the good faith discussion.

          I want you to be reassured that I don’t hate you for your religion.
          And I don’t think you or any religious person is necessarily dumb.
          We just happen to fundamentally disagree on certain points that seem to hold at least some value for both our lives.

          And I will gladly admit that believing in god has the fundamental difference to believing in a flat earth that you described. The flat earth is soundly disproven and the existence of god is not.

          I would in reply try to refine my point to saying that I think believing in god is comparable to believing in the easter bunny or the often quoted flying spaghetti monster (that I purposefully didn’t want to invoke earlier).

          Yes you are absolutely free to believe in any of those things.
          I would fight to defend your right to believe in them.

          But I cannot ever accept it as truth or even an educated opinion to hold without any proof pointing specifically towards the existence of any god.

          And not to end on a negative note.
          I love life around me, I love nature, I love animals.
          I think the world is a wonder.

          I do not believe any god made it the way it is.
          I have no reason to believe that.
          I just love it for itself.