cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18811470
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Once we get representational voting instead of first past the post. As long as we have first past the post, we vote for the not fascist, then we work at a local level.
They have that voting system in both Japan and Australia, doesn’t make a bit of difference, still capitalist dictatorships. Australia is also still carrying out their eviction of its indigenous peoples under that system, just like the US.
So never, got it. Glad we can reconfirm that liberals will never actually push for change, just virtue signal and go to brunch until it’s time to vote again.
Or, vote locally, get involved with local politics and push for change. Get representative voting locally, and push it up from grass roots. But you’d rather Trump win.
Or, vote locally, get involved with local politics and push for change.
Local elections matter far more than federal elections, sure. “Push for change” is just vibes, do you mean asking reps politely? Historically that doesn’t really work at enacting major change.
Get representative voting locally, and push it up from grass roots.
Why do you think this would work? When has reformism worked?
But you’d rather Trump win.
Nope. Saying the Dems are merely the more moderate face of a genocidal empire doesn’t mean I want the GOP. Both parties form the evil empire.
I mean, either campaign for, run for, or vote for local officials that boost rank-choice-voting. Get your county to apply it. Then push for your state. Then we’ll work on the country. But until then, vote Democrat for president so that Trump doesn’t take away your vote, and we can keep working at it.
Sorry my blue/red local officials don’t want rank choice voting, but I have to vote for one of them according to you, so what do I do?
At a local level? Run for office. At a local level you only have to convince a few hundred people to vote for you. I (repeatedly) told you it’s only black and white at the president level. There is not enough support to get a third party president yet. So build up support by building your party through local positions.
I mean, either campaign for, run for, or vote for local officials that boost rank-choice-voting.
Why do you think politicians would hurt their power and damage their donors?
Get your county to apply it. Then push for your state. Then we’ll work on the country.
How? Why would representatives change?
But until then, vote Democrat for president so that Trump doesn’t take away your vote, and we can keep working at it.
Seems I don’t have a vote either way, and it’s more important to build up dual power to eventually replace this wretched system.
It seems like you’ve decided you are powerless, so you are. You don’t want to work at a local level to build up third parties who would agree with your policies. You just want to whine on the internet. So I’m done. Enjoy your whining.
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There are third parties that share my values, like PSL, who are on the ballot for many states or can be written in elsewhere. You just told me to vote dem, though, now you’re telling me to vote third party?
I’m not powerless, the fact that you think voting is the only expression of political power means you have no historical context.
I gotta ask, do you ever ask yourself why Republicans rabidly do everything they can to stop felons from voting, but are unusually A-OK with folks voting for third parties like RFK, Jill Stein (who is clearly a Russian stooge), etc? Have you considered that Republicans generally view third parties as favorable, albeit unknowingly allies who historically siphon more Dem votes than Republican votes?
Because in my experience talking to folks like yourself, there’s seemingly little to no consideration at all that you’re being used by Republicans to help aid their victory even though this is an established tactic they’ve used for decades.
It seems like you’ve decided you are powerless, so you are. You don’t want to work at a local level to build up third parties who would agree with your policies.
There are third parties that agree with me, such as PSL. They’re even on the ballot in many states. You just told me to vote dem though, meaning you aren’t telling me to vote third party anyways.
The Wiemar Republic had a parliamentary system
Then what do you suggest? What government or form of representation has had no atrocities?
Your question makes as much sense as asking what font has never had hate speech written in it.
Sorry, I inferred from your comment that you’re saying that it’s not worth trying to pursue ranked choice voting because Hitler was elected I’m a similar system. I thought this was idiotic, since all forms of government have led to horrible acts of violence in one country or another, so I asked what government you would support under that condition. If I misconstrued your point, then illuminate me. What does your comment mean?
I thought this was idiotic, since all forms of government have led to horrible acts of violence in one country or another
And yet your solution is to tweak voting slightly.
The issue isn’t what form the government takes, it’s who the ruling class is. No matter what reforms you apply to the system it’s just going to be the same people producing the same outcomes because of the same built in interests.
And yet, you continue to not provide any solutions at all. 🤷♂️
If the problem you want to solve is fixing the US government so that it obeys the will of the people then no, you’re never going to get a workable solution from anyone.
Still I hear no better recommendations from you.
