What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?
It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.
Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.
Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?
Even if you criticise based on support of foreign wars and quality of life the EU and us still come out better than China and russia. They support some fucking crazy regimes and most of them still live far below the EU and us in standard of living.
No, this is just untrue for both accounts.
- War
The PRC and RF have largely been peaceful over the last few decades, the most notable exception being, of course, the Russo-Ukrainian War. On the other hand, the West has been on an extermination campaign of genocide in Palestine, destroyed Iraq, bombed Iran, destroyed Afghanistan, supported coups all over South America and Africa, and much, much more. If you extend beyond a few decadea you also can include the attempted genocide of Korea and Vietnam.
- Quality of Life
Not only is quality of life in the PRC higher than some EU states as well as US, the EU and US both enjoy the quality of life they do because of imperialism. That’s like pointing to a landlord and saying they have a higher quality of life than their tenant, and using that as a point in favor of the landlord and against the tenant. Imperialism is the reason why the Global North consumes far more of production than it creates, and what drives the Global North to sanction, coup, invade, destroy, and genocide the Global South.
Last two decade is a nice cherry pick of a moment in time. If we zoom out a little to the last 50 years we see russia and China have done far worse than the us. China has gone to war with pretty much every country around them. Theyve supported terrorist groups throughout their region and other continents. They slaughtered millions of their own citizens. They strip their own population of basic freedoms and force everyone to conform to their soulless nu chinese culture. they are as imperial as any other great power.
I dont even know why you tried to bring up russia. There is no debate about russia being peaceful or having a high quality of life for its citizens. Every conflict you mentioned bar Vietnam russia has been involved in.
As for quality of life you basically admitted its better in EU and us and then made an irrelevant excuse.
I extended beyond the last 2 decades, I just kept it to 2 decades initially because it’s the most relevant for our discussion. The PRC has not “gone to war” with pretty much everyone around them, with the exception of Vietnam, in the last 50 years. They do not support terrorist groups, and they have not slaughtered millions of their own people. They do not strip their population of basic freedoms, the opposite is true, and they do not force Han supremacy, they have higher rates of minority representation than the west does. They are not imperialist, they do not use financial capital to dominate the global south and expropriate vast amounts of wealth, nor is Chinese culture “soulless.”
Your whole comment is entirely uncited, and veers into being wildly racist by calling Chinese culture soulless.
As for quality of life, I didn’t expect you to go fully mask-off and justify imperialism, but holy shit you just outright called it an “irrelevant excuse.” If I point out that Elon Musk has a better quality of life than I do because of vast amounts of wealth stolen from the working class, that’s somehow irrelevant and Elon is good in your eyes? This is monstrous behavior. Do some self-crit and see how the west plunders the global south.
Ok I see you tow the party line when it comes to CCP revisionist history. Your first paragraph is delusional the CCP has done everything youve listed. Their culture is now souless because had a culture from the past 5000 years and commies purged it and replaced it with some artificial culture centred around a fat bald guy who jails anyone that mentions he killed millions of his own people.
You love that Chinese democracy perception graph don’t you ive seen you post it so many times. Its such a self own.
As for quality of life it is an irrelevant excuse. China has done worse atrocities and their quality of life is still lower.
Again, everything you listed is uncited, and your claims are racist in nature, like calling Chinese culture “soulless” because it’s now socialist and Mao banned foot-binding. Yes, I do quite like the democracy graph, it shows that the PRC is ahead of the west in democracy. The PRC has done nowhere near the atrocities of the west. It doesn’t imperialize, commit genocide, or otherwise plunder the world for its own benefit.
You have no sources because you’re genuinely a fascist that defends western imperialism unironically.
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Wars China has been in, in the last 50 years:
- Sino-Vietnamese War
From your own link:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathu_La_and_Cho_La_clashes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960–61_campaign_at_the_China–Burma_border
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chamdo
Some are outside the 50 year mark by a decade or two but it shows in the last 50 years theyve pretty much attacked every single country around them.
Some are outside the 50 year mark by a decade or two but it shows in the last 50 years
I wish I lived in your world where time is non-linear.
Some are outside the 50 year mark
Then don’t include them, you dishonest fuck.
it shows in the last 50 years theyve pretty much attacked every single country around them.
You literally had to include things from outside the time period to pad the numbers and you still only got to five. Now do the US and EUs wars for the same time period.
Even if you criticise based on support of foreign wars and quality of life the EU and us still come out better than China and russia.
No, they come out much worse. Oh right, you don’t consider non-westerners to be human.
They support some fucking crazy regimes
Imagine how completely shameless and dishonest to try and make this claim as a contrast to the EU and USA.
most of them still live far below the EU and us in standard of living.
And that’s what matters, in the end. Virtue is defined by how much wealth you can extract out of the rest of the world for the benifit of your own country. Wealth is the mark of virtue. Rich countries are good, poor countries are bad.
You have the politics of a nineteenth century Englishman.
I almost wasted my time responding until I noticed who this was. You having fun in this thread?
You mean you tried to respond but realized you didn’t actually have anything to respond with, so you’re going to start trolling.
There is nothing of substance to respond to even if I wanted. All you’ve done is disagree and I’m not wasting my time going through history with a bot who thinks tiananmen square was just a man standing in front of a tank or thinks NATO “forced” Russia to invade Ukraine. So yeah, enjoy this thread it was made for you.
There is nothing of substance to respond to even if I wanted.
There’s plenty of substance, you just can’t actually refute it so you’re going to pretend it’s not there. You’ve already decided as a matter of faith that you are right about anything, so any argument that might suggest otherwise has to be ignored.
bot who thinks tiananmen square was just a man standing in front of a tank hinks NATO “forced” Russia to invade Ukraine.
Oh, we’re just pulling completely baseless strawmen out of our assholes then? Well why should I waste my time with you when you’re a supporter of Adolf Hitler who thinks the Holocaust was a good thing?
So yeah, enjoy this thread it was made for you.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
What a great quote, perfectly describes you.
Lol, literally “I know you are, but what am I?”
