…within reason. I know that the top answer will be to flash a different OS on your device. A lot of us are not at that point right now.
So I was texting with my wife in Spanish and suddenly a system bubble popped up, “would you like to translate this to English?” At a minimum, this means that Google is reading the words on my screen at all times to detect the language. I don’t know if this is possibly done on device, but translation certainly isn’t. I’ve already changed my system translation app to Translate You.
I’ve noticed other times that Google watches or listens in the background. It has a feature to detect ambient songs playing, for example.
What other standard settings should I check for to prevent Google from watching and listening to my phone in the background?
Edit: I was not using a Google messeging app at the time. It was detecting the text from another app. The specific setting in this case was to switch off “Live Translate,” in System settings.
FWIW, music detection happens on device with a relatively small library of hashes.
When music plays nearby, your phone compares a few seconds of music to its on-device library to try to recognize the song. This processing happens on your phone and is private to you.
That’s for Pixels. I believe the result also stays on your phone.
Wow, I had no idea. that’s pretty impressive. I know that it also keeps a record of every song detected. I’m not sure if that stays on device or not.
Anything that runs the Android version that came with it will gather data on you and short of permanently disabling the data connection, you will not be able to escape it. Google gives back door access to everything it wants, constantly sends encrypted data packets to its servers that only they know what they contain and doesn’t give you the ability to stop any of it.
If you have a Pixel phone installing GrapheneOS is incredibly easy. It gives you full control over what the apps installed on it are allowed to do on your phone, including Google’s if you wish to install them (unlike on other phones where the privacy options are grayed out for them and permanently enabled). Mind you, you will lose some functionality if you block everything. But you are empowered to decide which apps you trust to do what on your own phone and disable what you don’t need.
If you have something else than a Pixel, LineageOS is an option, however the installation process might be more complicated.
Mind you, with the FOSS alternatives you will sometimes experience some jank or advanced features that don’t work. But it is a tiny price to pay to know you’re not giving your data away. It has gotten far better in the last few years as well, at least from my experience with GrapheneOS
Try using Signal first, in addition to a FOSS keyboard.
Heliboard for Foss purist.
Futo if you need local voice processing
If it’s Android with Google apps, it isn’t your phone.
If you run Windows, it ain’t your PC
Indeed.
You could avoid Google messaging apps, avoid Gmail, avoid Chrome and replace the Google keyboard with something else. But I don’t think you can really stop Google watching and listening on stock Android. That’s why the replacement OSs exist.
If Google play service is running… Yeah, you are fucked, GPS owns your phone and it allows you to use it.
Even if location services are disabled?
Yeah… Think of them as super user on your devide…
You are just a user
I don’t care if I’m the most downvoted for this, and I read your disclaimer but… iPhone. I loved Android but switched to iOS after playing with my partner’s phone and I couldn’t be happier. All the weird privacy invasive things like Siri (which I aways have disabled), image recognition/search, FaceID, and all that are on-device and send no data out. My current phone is six years old and works perfectly, and I’ve never reformatted it.
I know lemmy hates Apple, but if you want a phone where an advertising company isn’t constantly spying on everything you do and don’t want to fiddle with installing a different OS, it’s amazing.
This is the answer.
Don’t buy a phone made by an advertising company if you don’t want everything you use it for to feed ads data.
Not anymore. Apple is in the advertising business, albeit less than Google right now.
Are you seriously that dumb that you’re comparing selling ads in a store (the App Store) with selling ads on every other inch of the internet?
There is quite some difference between selling ad-space in a store and having ads as your one and only business model. You wouldn’t know of course and that’s why you are a Google fanboy.
I know lemmy hates Apple, but if you want a phone where an advertising company isn’t constantly spying on everything you do and don’t want to fiddle with installing a different OS, it’s amazing.
Ignorance is truly bliss, isn’t it?
All the weird privacy invasive things like Siri (which I aways have disabled), image recognition/search, FaceID, and all that are on-device and send no data out
Did you check their source code? monitored their network traffic with mitm proxy? or just believed what Apple told ya?
Wanna try another talking point you “heard” to feel better about using Apple?
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I’ve MITM’d myself many times and sure, Apple sends some telemetry and has a few advertising domains but for the most part a solid VPN with custom DNS blocklists (and blocking Apple’s crazy DoH service used to serve ads in News) I’m pretty happy.
Great, let me contact Apple to roll out my advertisement strategy.
Oh damn, it’s only about ads in their app store. They must make a killer now they’re in Google’s market of web advertising.
While you cannot uninstall it, you should be able to disable Google Assistant and the Google app. That should cripple its access to such features.
Google exists for selling ads. All their tech exists to support them doing just that. You’re the product.
Are you using Gbord? Changing your keyboard app is easy and may be painless depending on how you type. I like Heliboard, there are many others though https://f-droid.org/packages/helium314.keyboard/
You can also use something like RethinkDNS https://f-droid.org/packages/com.celzero.bravedns/ and block connections to Google (or anywhere else)
Those would be a start
Heliboard is excellent. I’ve been using the privacy focused FUTO keyboard, which meets my needs a little better. It’s not open source, but it is source available, so I trust it as long as that’s the case. Otherwise, heliboard would easily be my top choice.
https://github.com/samolego/Canta/blob/master/README.md
In addition to what others have said, remove a bunch of bloatware and spyware programs using this.
Soundproofed Faraday Cage box.
I propose throwing it in the nearest body of water. Much more budget friendly.
I’m guessing you’re using a Pixel phone? My partner’s phone does the same background music detection, I think it’s gross. These are some of the things I’ve done to help prevent the most obvious examples of spying on my Samsung:
Disable all permissions except ones that you absolutely cannot live without, set those to “ask every time.”
Use a physical camera cover whenever you’re not taking a photo.
Turn off location anytime you’re not actively using navigation.
use a VPN with always-on settings enabled.
stop using Google apps entirely (Chrome, Mail, Maps, YouTube, etc.) Switch to web browsing on Firefox with unlock Origin installed
There’s probably some way to directly uninstall other Google bloatware on your phone. I recently followed this tutorial to delete Samsung’s voice assistant from my device, I’m sure there’s a similar process for the Pixel
I only use Google Maps because it warns of police speed traps. Do other apps have similar warnings?
No idea, but it’s a sacrifice you need to make to un-Google yourself. I personally use Waze (owned by Google apparently, but still) with location services set to ask me every time
I believe Waze does. But I use google maps sinply because it has the most accurate real-time info because of the sheer volume of data it crowdsources.
Waze does, but it’s also owned by Google. IIRC, Waze is where Google gets the data for police locations in maps.
but translation certainly isn’t [done on device]
Google Translate has downloadable language packs and runs on device, including offline in foreign countries without roaming data. Including the live video OCR and replacement.
That’s not to say that what you experienced isn’t creepy, but it’s not necessarily cloud-driven.
Fair enough. I’ve also been using an incredible on-device translator, RTranslator, which is truly next-level, and FOSS. If anyone else out there has translation needs, I highly recommend it!
RTranslate is great, though it did sometimes not translate sections of the German text I gave it.
…within reason. I know that the top answer will be to flash a different OS on your device. A lot of us are not at that point right now.
As long as you know the real answer already.
Do a factory reset on the phone, disable EVERY app you don’t want to use (app info, disable works in modern AOSP even for apps you can’t uninstall like youtube)
Don’t link your google account to the phone.
Test your phone by saying “OK Google” and making sure it doesn’t respond.
Slowly install the apps you want / need, testing the “ok google” and spanish text to see if it triggers some data-scraping service.
interesting idea, would test on an old device or spare device before wiping my phone though, you may not like the results and puts you back at square one with all your stuff gone and have to reset it all anyway.
GrapheneOS and kiss your live maps goodbye.
Faraday bags for phones.
