I was just thinking about it actually - I feel like it’s going to be the sheer amount of caffeine we ingest, or caffeine at all.
which reminds me, I need a coffee!
Doubtful. Coffee, tea and caffeine in general have health benefits when consumed in not extreme dosages.
And further, have all been culturally significant for many, many centuries now. Surely will not be abandoned in just a few years
Causing air pollution and having major population centres with terrible air quality.
I really hope making fun of gender pronouns isn’t acceptable in 20 years. My name is Ted Cruz and my pronounce are U.S.A.
Not just super lame boomer jokes but shitting on people who feel invisible and pronouns help them feel recognized as a full person.
Now I second this. As a(n aspiring) comedian, I already feel like jokes about pronouns are only playable in rural shitty areas. Nowhere in the cities does that kind of “silly gay people” humor play. because humor is about punching up, and lgbt individuals are nowhere near being a full accepted part of the human experience. we won’t have full acceptance of lgbt people in 20 years, but hey, pronoun jokes will definitely be reserved for shitty old people.
Thank you for not doing them even if you possibly could get away with it at some shows. Larry the Cable Guy is a millionaire but you know his grandchildren are going to be ashamed of him as they go to college using money made by telling jokes about trans people in bathrooms. It’s easy but it’s wrong and we all know it.
Hopefully tipping.
Protesting.
The future looks scary to me.
Hopefully that goes the other way and it is more normal to do so
We could learn a lot from the French.
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Is it socially acceptable today? Maybe I’m biased by my location (western Europe), but Ive never seen people with fashist views getting widespread acceptance. Unfortunately that doesn’t the lone wolf from making quite a bit of noise, though.
Of course racism isn’t socially acceptable.
OP just wanted to sound moral.
is there such a thing as reverse virtue signaling? a comment like this reads (to me) as
"racism isn’t actually a problem.
OP is a better person than I."
I never said it wasn’t a problem.
I said it wasn’t socially acceptable.
Let me give you an example because it seems that you’re getting too emotional to think straight.
Theft is a problem.
Theft is not socially acceptable.
Does that make things clearer for you?
There are regions in every country where not being racist makes you a pariah.
Like this charming place: https://capitalbnews.org/newbern-alabama-black-mayor/
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They’re a Jordan Peterson mod, don’t bother. The ultimate Idiot’s Genius. Imagine thinking the only reason to be concerned for the plight of others must be for selfish reasons. It says more about them than you. And it’s a deflection away from coming up with actually sound counterpoints. Mindless contrarianism.
It’s sad but I totally agree with you. Used to love JBP. Watched his old biblical lecture series, read 12 rules for life, followed his podcast. Definitely after his health issues I feel like there’s been a drop in his faculties and it’s hard to really back him like I used to.
Then to see his new Exodus series, which I was excited about, and for him to have fucking Dennis Prager as a host on it… What a fucking joke. If he will so readily and warmly welcome Prager on his platform I have no interest in it.
To be clear, I’m an atheist. I didn’t watch any of his content expecting spiritual enrichment or whatever.
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Not all authoritarians are fascists
The current PM of Italy is openly a Mussolini sympathizer.
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Publicly releasing a crime suspect’s name before conviction. Can’t believe that’s legal, may as well call them guilty until proven innocent.
I read somewhere that doing that makes it harder for the police to just “disappear” you
Hopefully in 20 years we won’t have to worry about people being disappeared by the police…
Bold of you to assume civilization is still standing in 20 years.
Meat eating is a possibility. I don’t see it being universal, but veganism is on the ride and it makes sense to a lot of people.
When the quality and cost of labgrown meat matches the real thing - we’ll see the tables turn. Especially if they’re able to produce various *cuts^ and styles.
Traditionally grown meat will go the way of vinyl. Slowly fall out of popularity, then eventually become a status good, popular among aficionados, ignoring its actual inferiority in blind tastings. Calling it now, in 25 years, most US beef will be Kobe style, “we brushed our cows’ hair and sang it lullabies” and differentiated by marketing.
Even beyond that, I wouldn’t underestimate the power of cultural change. From what I can tell, drugs, sex and clearly defined gender identities are all on the decline in the younger generations in the west. I’m not sure there’s any good or clear external force pushing this. I think it’s just change. When it comes to eating meat, it’s pretty easy to start thinking through why you don’t need to do it as much as the typical western diet does, which feels pretty ripe for some form of merely cultural change.
My theory is that drugs, excessive sex and to some extent petty crime are partly a result of boredom for teenagers.
Teenagers today have less reasons to be bored than a generation or two ago. Instead, they’re getting dopamine fixes from social media and gaming.
I’m not sure if that’s related to dieting.
If done right, the cultural climate to change from eating living things to lab grown meat will be as simple as ordering the same dishes at restaurants with substitute ingredients that nobody notices.
And cost. It’s hard to justify a diet change otherwise.
Americans went from eating sheep to cows in the 1800s because cows were cheaper per pound, more resilient to diseases and easier to maintain.
Veganism is popular because it’s still a cost effective diet. Mass farming is compatible with it.
I can easily see “Pepsi Challenge” style ad campaigns where people blindly guess which bite was the real meat - and which one they prefer.
Though, I also see a backlash. In a way that the proliferation of hybrid and electric vehicles created the anti-environmental practice of “coal rolling”, whereas asshats modify their truck engines to produce more pollutants to own the libs.
Teenagers today have less reasons to be bored than a generation or two ago. Instead, they’re getting dopamine fixes from social media and gaming.
I think similarly and have said so before.
This is the first thing that came to my mind, too. I’m a omnivore myself and admittedly love my meat, but it’s very bad for the environment and I can’t deny the ethical concerns are there. At the very least, I can see low key vegetarianism being the norm in 20 years, where the norm would simply be to not have meat products, and meat might instead be a more niche diet or simply not the norm.
If lab grown meat manages to become scalable enough, I can also see that nearly completely replacing “real” meat. Once it’s at least as affordable, I think “real” meat’s days would be numbered. It’d become a thing only for purists/elitists/exotic diners. I would even expect that lab grown meat would eventually become cheaper than “real” meat simply because it would be far faster to grow and take fewer resources than to grow an entire animal to adulthood.
As an aside, would labe grown meat be considered vegan? I think it would be since no animal is harmed in the making of it. I imagine many existing vegans wouldn’t want to eat something that tastes like meat, but it would be the thing that converts practically everyone else. I sure don’t see why I’d ever want to eat “real” meat again if I could get a comparable lab grown meat that doesn’t harm animals and is better for the environment. That’s just a win win.
Lab grown meat is grown from cell cultures that were taken from animals that were not capable of consenting to donate these cells.
Hardcore vegans will likely still despise it, but for a lot of less hardcore vegan people it might become an option, especially if marketing hides the origin.
IMHO it’s more important that the carbon footprint of growing cell cultures is bigger than that of growing animals. Unless this changes, lab grown meat is not an option to fight global warming.
I think in the grand scheme of things, if you have to ask if something is vegan, it’s probably not worth worrying about too much. Perfect not being the enemy of good and all that.
It’s just not sustainable. Lab-grown meat is here, it just needs to get to scale, get a bit cheaper and boom. Farming and killing animals for food will be obsolete.
That is, of course, providing it’s sustainable, which at the moment it isn’t.
https://www.ucdavis.edu/food/news/lab-grown-meat-carbon-footprint-worse-beef
Farming as a whole will still not disappear at all, animal agriculture will change, but will also not disappear.
My money is on this one. Once we find a more sustainable way to get meat, and that scales to the globe, whatever that method is, I think the idea of keeping animals only to kill then will quickly be viewed as abhorrent.
Likely won’t be as quick as within 20 years, however. Lots of companies currently making a fortune selling meat who will stand in the way of that.
This definitely. For ethical or cost-effective reasons. I think price is going to be the main incentive. If its a dollar less a pound for lab grown hamburger and options at fast food outlets - we’ll definitely be there. Real meat will become the new “fancy food” - wasteful and indulgent spending.
Not being 100% available 24/7/365 will become even less acceptable than its already become.
Daily commuting can also go.
I’d guess it’d be the opposite for some people who get tired of having to be constantly available.
Yeah I feel like that pendulum is swinging back already.
Yeah. There will always be those who push harder and harder for more and more intrusive communication at all hours, but as the pendulum swings back the other way, it will be more and more acceptable to walk away from such jobs and seek out places that show more respect for private time whenever you’re off the clock.
Yes, there is already laws in Europe to protect the “right to disconnect”.
You have the right to not be reachable outside of work hours.
Civilization is declining, the things that were considered rude when things were worse are going to make a comeback.
Civilization is declining
Says who? Jordan Peterson? humans have made more progress in the last 30 years than ever before
Oof. I really hope I’m not turning into that sack of used hemorrhoid cream. I’m fully aware of the progress, that’s why watching the the rapid regression is so depressing. I actually hope I’m just wrong, but if I’m not, I’m quite sure trans people aren’t to blame, so at least I got that going for me.
Hang in there buddy
It’s often an emotional message, not a rational one, that says the world is in decline. That emotion is real and meaningful, but not necessarily one that tells the full story. Humans have remarkable staying power.
Having an excessive amount of kids.
Dystopic I know, but hear me out. I think this is already on the cusp of falling out of social norms as there are shows that let the American public gawk on the dynamics of very large families. Of course an “excessive” amount is vague and subjective but there is growing evidence on poorer outcomes for children who may have less nurturing and less family resources due to competition from having too many siblings. I myself come from a large family - so this is casual speculation from having witnessed the VERY different family dynamics from friends who came from single or two-child households.
The whole idea of having a family and where it sits on your life and goals definitely seems on the cusp of permanent change, I agree.
Lots of factors around this. Good answer!!
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Are you saying this is 1) your preferred outcome, or 2) a dire prediction based on the current fascist trajectory of many nations?
Just trolling I imagine
By many nations you mean Texas, Florida, Italy, Alabama, Hungary, Mississippi, Iowa?
Among others, yes. Don’t forget Ruzzia.
Hating on trans folk
I wish, but unfortunately am not very hopeful about this :(
Large parts of the world seem to be headed further in the direction of restricting self determination around your identity and your body. The worst part is seeing almost no-one fighting back. I live in the uk though, so some of that is related to the hellish media landscape here >.<
May not be widely accepted, but it is accepted in a good chunk of the world.
- Being a Bigot
- Being Racist
- Being Sexist
Yeah, I don’t see any of those things changing. I’ve read too many history books and they’re traits of our species, not minor blips.
Well, if they don’t then the world can burn, and I hope it does if not.
They won’t.
The traits you describe are as old as the human race itself, and even with the vast knowledge we now possess, they’re still endemic to the human experience. They’re built into our DNA.
Then the world deserves to burn.
That’s probably true.
The upside is that it’s going to, and most if not all of the human race will die out, but whatever comes next might be better than we were.
Bigotry is still active, just different groups. Racism is definitely still active, just different groups (look up stats on violence against Asians or their chances of getting into the Ivy Leagues). Human nature is so strong, I admire and doubt your optimism.
Sexism being actively obsolete in 20 years is possible and would be a good start.
Yes, I know they are still active, that’s kind of the point I was making. I’m saying if things go as they look to be, then hopefully they won’t be in 20 or so years. If they are just as active as they are now, or even more so, then hopefully asteroid 2044 takes care of the planet once and for all.
