I used to think one of the biggest reasons there’s so many antivaxx people is that, because they’re so effective, people no longer have the fear of seeing their children in an iron lung, struggling to breathe. Then Covid respirators happened and antivaxx fucks somehow got worse
Most people on this planet are idiots.
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The average person is quite stupid and about half the people are even stupider (sic)
I used to think one of the biggest reasons there’s so many antivaxx people is that, because they’re so effective, people no longer have the fear of seeing their children in an iron lung, struggling to breathe.
Yes, I think that’s absolutely right. The antivaxxers are people who didn’t experience what it was like before vaccines.
Then Covid respirators happened and antivaxx fucks somehow got worse
I think part of it is that the effects of Covid were hidden from the public. The hospitals didn’t let anyone in to see the rows of beds with people on respirators, so the public didn’t see that on the news. They showed the refrigerated trucks but not the bodies in the trucks. So in the “pics or it didn’t happen” timeline we’re in, people didn’t believe it was that bad. Even the aftereffects of long covid are barely recognized or mentioned. The whole thing has been bizarre.
In olden times, everyone saw the dead bodies openly carried off on carts, or saw piles of them buried in mass graves. Their relatives died right there in front of them, not hidden away in a hospital where they themselves weren’t allowed to enter. Before, everyone directly experienced the crisis and suffering it caused. This time, the ugly reality was hidden from most of us other than the direct caregivers.
Side note: during the Vietnam war, reporters and camera crews were there and it was all shown on TV, the bodies, the wounded, the chaos. But the powers that be learned lessons from the horrified reaction of the public: do not show your failures on TV; keep your population in the dark. And we never saw our war casualties on TV again. Cameras were there, but we were shown nothing but scripted “reality TV”, if anything at all.
They followed the same script with Covid. This is supposed to be the information age but we’re more in the dark than ever. Real information is either not provided or is buried in misinformation. Remember the Florida whistleblower who leaked how the State was skewing their covid statistics and was quickly arrested and smeared?
It’s also why Trump is president-elect currently. People are stupid and are forgetting just how bad things can be.
They forgot about 4 years ago.
they think because he inherited a recovering economy, that he himself had some major part in it.
I doubt this will compare to four years ago. It’s going to be much worse.
I’m hoping he keels over in the next month and we get President Vance. I know three things about him.
He’s really condescending towards people who didn’t “escape” rural areas (from his book).
He’s close with Peter Thiel.
He doesn’t believe anything political he says. He previously said Trump is a dictator. He says what he needs to say to gain power.There’s a non-zero chance that he’s full of shit, and then turns out to be a great president. Either way, an unknown quantity is better than the one we’re about to get. Hopefully it happens before the appointments, since the appointments can’t be worse. Trump is what, 78?
I think there’s zero chance he turns out to be a great president, but there’s probably a decent chance he’d turn out to be a mediocre president
The most important thing is that Vance wouldn’t have the hold over the whole party to be able to make them bow to his every whim like Trump does. Yes, they would still try to get project 2025 implemented, but they’d be less likely to be able to keep enough of their party in line to do it.
That’s four things.
I’ve just been hoping for the long shot that a plane carrying both of them will go down before the electoral college meets. If it also takes Musk, Johnson, Kennedy, and a bunch of others from his inner circle, so much the better.
He’s not my first choice, but if the choice is Trump, Vance, or Johnson, I’d choose Vance.
My brother had to be convinced to get the vaccine.
He’s legitimately removed (I’m trying to say “re-tar-ded”, but apparently it automatically saying “removed.” Seriously? We’re not allowed to say “re-tar-ded”, a completely accurate medical term?) and had to go to a special school because of it.
I think a lot of conservatives fall into this camp, but don’t realize it because of how poor social programs are in red states.
Can anyone find independent reports of this massive celebration for the announcement of the results of the Francis Field Trial in 1955?
Edit: Found a Wiki summary
I think social media algorithms have fried people’s brains. Imagine we’d ban them, go back to content being kinda diverse and random, without adversaries able to game the system and push massive swaths of propaganda to people. The fact alone that most youths get their news from freaking TicTok of all places…
You know your local news network has a TikTok right? There’s nothing wrong with news from social media. The problem is that media is unregulated and people are allowed to lie and pass off that information factual.
You know your local news network has a TikTok right?
That’s not what people watch though. People get their news from “influencers”, often time those with far right alignments, or straight from fascist parties who are the ones with the most reach on TicTok.
The problem is that media is unregulated and people are allowed to lie and pass off that information factual.
That’s literally what the free press is, and a fundamental pillar of a free and democratic society. Regulated media is censored media, and exactly what fascists want. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press
Being “press” does not give you blanket protection from lies. Alex Jones just lost his company because he lied about Sandy Hook victims.
He didn’t lost his company because he lied as a press entity, he was lying for years without issues, he lost his company because he directly defamed the victims and their loved ones, which caused a massive lawsuit by them that went in their favor. Even in the US there’s still a few restrictions to free speech, and defamation is one of them.
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Alex Jones
Which one is it now?!
If it’s propaganda to make people believe the truth, is it bad?
Depends who’s the arbiter of truth. Still propaganda
Interesting hypothetical, but not what’s happening.
It’s a question. You know what a question is, right?
You people are so used to these weird games that every question must be an insinuation.
Well, you said that, not me. But thanks for the outing.
Am I wrong?
I guess we’ll never know.
Why would anybody bad them, >50% in the US just voted to expand them massively and apply them ~everything. Oh and that money for the masses sucks versus money for grifters only, so I for one welcome Freedom Coin 2025 which rugpulls about 2 weeks after introduction.
This guy’s awesome. It reads as if he’s trying to dilute the great news by suggesting wars ending a decade before or moon landings 10 years are are really why everyone’s cheering.
I don’t think he’s necessarily trying to dismiss this as express curiosity about that kind of reaction to that news and adding in other examples where the whole nation would have celebrated something.
If anything, he seems to be saying that the invention of the polio vaccine is in the same class of news as the others, not that people were only celebrating the polio vaccine because they were happy about these other events that were well passed or still to come in the future.
I kinda suspect that shared joy might repeat if a cancer vaccine was revealed.
We didn’t collectively suffer long enough from COVID for its vaccine to be universally embraced…
On the other hand, half a century earlier-
So I guess the stupid waxes and wanes?
You know I wonder how much of this is because we stopped doing pubic service announcements for a while?
Something something smart people make good times that makes stupid people that make hard times that makes smart people?
I bet the wave of stupid correlates to the popularity of yellow journalism or the prevalence of its practices.
We are entering a stupid age, for which we may never recover.
I’d argue we ushered in the Stupid Age in November of 1980.
I agree though, we never recovered.
for which we may never recover.
um, it’s FROM which, not “for which”
you wouldn’t say “I’ll never recover for this”, would you?
You’ll never recover for this
I’ll never recover for this comment
That’s what you get for not setting up system recovery.
And then we ingested a bunch of lead through our lungs
Too bad that’s not the great America some people wants to bring back. Nobody would mind this one.
The smart America is blocking the way of Trump Facism
If anything, this should tell us the trolls won.
Or at least have been more successful then they ever should have been.
Stark contrast to the reaction most people had to the invention of seatbelts in cars.
Honestly, they are compared a lot, and while seat belts should be encouraged, I don’t think they should be mandated for adults.
Unlike masks, you’re only going to hurt yourself.
Then again I strongly believe in the right of any adult to end their own life, even if they’re physically healthy, or it’s not their life.
Unlike masks, you’re only going to hurt yourself.
Absolutely wrong. Seatbelts prevent people from turning into projectiles as well, which most definitely can harm other people.
In the event of a crash, a soft gooey human is probably the least likely object that flies out of that car to seriously injure someone else, and if that gooey human hits anything the car is made of first, the gooey human loses and is just further bruised against things harder than a human.
Can you point me to a single instance of someone being injured or died because the corpse of another human, and not hard metal, plastic, or glass was launched out of the vehicle and managed to hit them?
Because that seems like a cartoonish outcome of a crash that’s high speed enough to do so. Like one in a billion, about as likely as being next to a car crash and being killed by the shrapnel of the used gum that was under the seat.
They don’t need to leave the vehicle to hurt someone else. https://youtu.be/mKHY69AFstE
Fair enough, I concede the point when others are in the car.
5G hadn’t been invented yet. They had nothing to worry about back then.
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RFK and conspiracy thinking right alongside Luigi are ALL symptoms indicating the same problem: a health care system that enriches CEOs at the bankruptcy and death of the masses.
At base it’s like the Hepatitis C cure when it rolled out. A $ amount is put on this cure, only X number of people get it each month, up to a certain $ amount across all claimants, and the rest are SOL. Healthcare itself is like that. We did 18 NICU babies already this month, or we did 32 cardiac cath procedures this month, time to delay, deny, defend.
Wouldn’t it be cool if you could figure a way around needing that healthcare? If you could do 6 simple steps that are entirely under your own power, cheaply or for free, and fix your health on your own? What a dream that would be. This need for health independence is as predictable as a Luigi.
RFK is like a cherry on the shit sundae of our present system. He’s symbolic of the need for something other that we can maybe have more control over. Unfortunately, drinking raw milk has a higher potential of adding more problems.
Luigi didn’t do it
People have opposed vaccines since they were first introduced. I find your explanation just trying to force it into the current discussion around health insurance.
I would argue that it’s primarily because some people can’t fathom that the world is a chaotic place and shit just happens without sinister forces making it happen. Its exactly why the devil is such a popular theme in Christianity, because they need some evil force acting behind the scenes to justify the fact that absolutely terrible things happen while also believing in some supremely powerful and benevolent God.
With the pandemic, and people losing their shit because they were in lock down, the idea that this evil force was making it happen and fucking with them really took hold…and that made the “freedom” from it, a vaccine, a very good target for people pushing their conspiracy theories that this was a good way to push some sinister agenda…and with the amount of fear at the time, people were susceptible. Once you’ve opened the door for vaccines being a vehicle for sinister agenda, that just opens the door for questioning previous vaccines as well.
Everything you’ve said is correct. The basic chaos and statistics of life is too much to process for some people. However, the number of vaccine deniers is now a movement, and growing, and being given lip service by people in charge. That doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
We are both correct in our main assertions.
That doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
I agree. And I think that non-vacuum isn’t that our health system is whack, but that we just went through a traumatizing time as a society that left people very fearful and looking for answers. It’s a convenient and easy one that the conmen are more than happy to advantage of for their personal gain.
I guess I see our positions as very different. . .you attribute it to people trying to avoid our healthcare system, I see it as people just looking for something to blame for how crappy shit was during the pandemic; our healthcare system has been shit for a long time, but the rise to prominence of this anti-vaccine movement happened during the pandemic. I don’t think the timing is coincidental.
But I appreciate the cordial response.
As someone inside the healthcare system, I can confidently state that COVID simply brought out a lot of festering problems that already existed. The pandemic didn’t create those problems, it revealed them.
The one “but” here is that COVID did help speed up the timeline on doctor/nurse/caregiver burnout as well and create a bottleneck in getting care due to sheer numbers which is still happening right now. How long are you waiting for your next PCP appointment, or to get established with one? (One example).
And as another “but”. What I just said above was already the trajectory of the system. We simply had a little healthcare “inflation” that sped all of that up.
If you could do 6 simple steps that are entirely under your own power, cheaply or for free, and fix your health on your own?
This is so specific that i would be remiss if I didn’t ask what those 6 things were…
It’s a mimic of how most charlatans start their pitch for bullshit solutions.
drinking raw milk
will be the least of our problems from RFK. He killed more than 20 children in Samoa with his smallpox vaccine denial.
This deserves a link.
Although I think this article downplays his involvement by using weasel words. I started to look for one that stated it more clearly but then I’m no better than idiots looking to have their bias confirmed.
In 1955… Most people personally knew someone aflicted with polio. They knew how bad it was
i mean unless you were like 10, chances are everyone was aware of fdr
In Appalachia, it was unlikely to not know someone on a vent or dead from Covid, yet…
Fox News tells you not to believe your eyes, and conservatives trust Fox News more than their own eyes.
Why wouldn’t they trust Fox News over their own eyes? Fox News is the most trusted name in news. At least that’s what the viewers get told when they come back from commercial breaks. It’s not like Fox would lie to them. They are the most trusted name in news after all…
Circular logic at its finest.
Their final, most essential command.
I didn’t see anybody die of covid. 2 relatives died after getting the shot tho, of apparently unrelated cause.
Tell me what to believe.
The statistics and the science, not the anecdotes and inadequate sample size.
Ugh, that’s rough.
That being said, like you said, people die. I can’t imagine how shitty it feels but given how the COVID vaccine is the most-empirically-tested-and-documented vaccine and as a result of it’s absolutely insane number uses uses (beaten only by the likes of Aspirin and Ibuprofene and so on), it’s hopefully understandable that we not only know but know with beyond-certainty that it’s side effects are insanely rare and extremely mild.
The reason people can extremely rarely die from a vaccination (and then it happens ~directly after getting it!) is a reaction to the actual injection, not what you get injected with. This has happened in the past, it’s just extremely improbably. There’s also the chance of an allergic reaction but for most healthy adults we would know about this as COVID would be far from our first vaccine we’re getting, and with multiple billions of uses, we know that the COVID vaccine as a whole has no allergic interactions beyond standard ones.
That’s not to downplay your loss, sorry if it sounds that way - english is not my primary language. Not at all. Just trying to illustrate how impossible it’d be for COVID to have a lethal effect without millions~tens-of-millions showing this, simply because we have such an amount of data points.
That is to say, someobody could get a vaccine shot, then go home, and fry themselves an egg in a new pan they bought on the way home. There is a multiple orders of magnitude higher chance of poisoning from the pan because of an undocumented chemical in the coating than from the shot. We don’t have that much data on any particular pan, not even IKEA ones. Orders of magnitude less data.
Believe the mass graves and filled ERs.
I didn’t actually see mass graves or filled ERs.
You’re not alone. I also didn’t see either of those things, or know anyone that died from it.
I’m also not denying those things exist, I’m simply affirming your reality.
I guess you can’t see if your eyes are closed.
Hrm, the full ERs were easy to find though, news were coming up multiple times a day which hospital is rejecting patients and of doctors and nurses collapsing from 40-80 hours continuous work.
Mass graves… trickier. We tend to not want to be faced with mass deaths in general, which is why we tend to not glorify this as much as we do personal death. They were in the news though, and of course travel to any poorer country and they were/are easy to find.
We were discussing “seeing with your own eyes” vs “being told what to think by various propaganda organs”. The latter being less good.
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Trust me. I’ve been along live enough to recognize that if people don’t want to believe something, then they won’t.
I knew three people who died from COVID and another after they recovered from COVID, unfortunately unless it’s their direct family they would just assume ‘theyre just making it all out to be covid’
I assume most people would blame social media for this, but here’s my c/unpopularopinions take, it’s inevitable with a profit oriented news platform, where they try to scaremonger in both ‘we are all going to die’ and ‘government is putting chips in our bloodstream’ directions
In other nations, unless a blunder by government policy, they werent as affected by the anti vaccine shenanigans, even though they were as affected by social media and such
Dude my grandmother died of Covid in August pf 2020, and yet my father and his sister who is a nurse and gave her the dease arge to this day weather covid is bullshit or not. AT HER funeral they argued about mask mandates. Maga brains will watch millions die from covid, and polio and still call it fake news.
And then there’s my ex who after COVID took nearly 9 months (!) to get normal use of their lung again. Fuck people who go all “COVID is bullshit”.
Society can be so backwards.
