H5N1 with 50% mortality. Collapse of the economy. Food shortages. Fuel shortages. Power outages.

I feel like a Elon Musk backed Trump administration might do it.

Musk has already stepped in a lot of shit saying that Americans don’t want to work any more as a reason for increasing H1B visas. Trump has also said that inflation isn’t going to be something his administration is going to fix; a lot of his policies will make it worse.

Combine that with conservative media having a hard time demonizing Luigi is beginning to create a crack between the Republican leadership and its MAGA base.

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Historically, in the US at least, violent movements are a precursor to peaceful social change. People protest and protest peaceful for decades, and little to nothing actually changes.

I mean think about it, do you think for example that an insurance company that is run by people freely willing to kill tens of thousands of people have any problem just ignoring any number of protesters? No one ever got any rights by asking nicely. Every social change we’ve experienced has had both peaceful and violent components.

This doesn’t morally justify violence, but it does show that violence doesn’t just keep escalating until we go full on civil war. Whenever inequality or injustice gets to critical levels, some desperate people decide that nonviolence doesn’t work and that more extreme actions are needed. Suffragettes were involved in many arson campaigns. Slavery didn’t end until the Union army forced it to end. Unions got their rights to organize through armed battles and by torching factories with their bosses locked inside. The black civil rights movement required both non-violent resistance, but also violent groups like the Black Panthers waiting in the wings, offering a more violent solution if a peaceful one wasn’t found. Stonewall was a riot.

America tends to go through periods of increasing wealth and social inequality. Things build up until some people feel so pressured, either by personal circumstance or ideology, that they believe violence is the only option. This doesn’t make this violence right or just, but it is simply part of human nature. It happens again and again and again. When the elite push the masses far enough, eventually they start killing elites and setting their property on fire. And there’s not a whole lot that can be done to prevent it, as these tend to be random crimes by detached individuals acting on their own. The elites will always overreach and respond with harsher criminal penalties. But when someone is willing to throw their life away for something, there’s really no penalties that will make a difference.

And ultimately, that kind of violence, or threat of it, is usually what breaks the dam that previously prevented peaceful social change. Elites rarely give a single iota about the common man. In order to acquire that level of wealth and power, you pretty much have to be a sociopath in some form or another. That is as true now as it was in the age of hereditary nobility. But eventually the elite learn that something they actually care about - their own wealth or their own lives, are at risk. And even if the elite can hide themselves behind private armies, they inevitably find that their vast holdings of property aren’t so easily protected. Arson has historically played a huge role in these types of social inflection points.

So pressure will continue to build, but society isn’t going to break. Rather, crimes against life and, especially property, will continue. I sadly expect to see a lot of arson carried out by incendiary drones in the near future. And these acts of violence will continue to grow ever more common until the sociopaths at the top realize, “wait, it’s actually costing me more money NOT to improve things for the common man, let’s throw the people some bones.”

That’s pretty much how every right or liberty you enjoy today was achieved. Rarely does outright revolution completely overthrow the old order and bring out the literal guillotines. The French Revolution was the exception, not the rule. What we are seeing now is just the normal and inevitable course of history, that has happened time and time again. The people get pushed and exploited past a critical level, and the more unhinged among the population start taking violent action. This violence builds and builds, and eventually the elite realize it’s more profitable to accept some of those quite reasonable reforms that the non-violent folks have been politely asking for for decades.

Take heart. This has all happened before. It is happening now. And in the future, it will happen again.

I doubt it will be climate change specifically. I think it will be the increasing political divisiveness. It’ll be a whole bunch of different issues, climate change included, that neither political party can agree on the reality of, much less how to address them that will continue to escalate tensions between the two major political parties until we reach the point of a second civil war.

I think America is less than 50 years away from that point. The path we’re on ends in war. Who knows if our country will survive.

No. We will find out afterwards.

Nope, it’s always a surprise! It’ll probably be some damned foolish thing in the Balkans though.

The answer is ‘whatever you feel concerned about’ and multiply that by 300 million. Charles Bukowski said (paraphrasing) that it’s not the big things that will break a man, its the little things that drive men mad - like a broken shoelace.

It’s not just going to be one big issue but an aggregation of all little issues. And boy, do we have issues.

Political breaking point or physical breaking point?

Politically, I’d say the whole national debt thing is going to take a toll and we’re going to see internationally backed revolutions in the US, in every part that wasn’t one of the thirteen colonies.

Physically though? If anything, it would be something like damage to the ecosystem.

You never know what it will actually be. In fact, it’s likely that it’ll be too late before people realize it.

Nope. Most people in the country still live comfortably.

Until that is not the case, nothing will happen.

I only have one goal in life: outlive america

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I hope, my only goal in life is to outlive america

What do you expect would happen?

Civil War v2? No, I don’t think so.

Civil Rights Movement v2? Very likely.