I saw a post that talked about racism towards people and when I talked about it the response I got was very heated and a person even called lemmy.world a community of ‘hitlerites’

I have been around for a week or so and this is my first time seeing such explicit vulgar reaction towards another community, is this a one-off or should I block hexbear?

  • @rusticus@lemm.ee
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    Yes block hexbear. It’s one of the first things I did on lemmy. Save yourself the toxicity of dealing with them.

  • atro_city
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    Wow, I was wondering why I hadn’t blocked a single hexbear or lemmy.ml user here: my instance did it for me! I’ve had multiple accounts on multiple servers and consistently had to block hexbear users until finally blocking hexbear outright. It’s been a much better experience then.

  • @FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Hexbear is cool. I’ve learned a lot from them. the thing is, some of the people there can be a little brash at first. I recommend looking around the instance a bit before you decide on blocking it. some of them can be a little brash but they mean well.

    • @meowMix2525@lemm.ee
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      This is an extremely reasonable take, not sure why anyone would downvote you for it other than tribalism.

      • @FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        if anything, they are just proving them right about their instance. but it is what it is, there will always be tribalism on the internet and in the world.

      • ArxCyberwolf
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        Hexbear has proven so many times to be completely unreasonable that it isn’t worth wading through that much toxicity to find the good parts.

  • Amon
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    Do not interact with them destroy it with fire

  • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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    Yes, you should definitely block Hexbear. They’re a toxic, angry group of people, who have no intention of ever engaging in good faith.

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    Hexbear, lemmygrad and (in great part) lemmy.ml are tankie instances.

    They basically deny any crimes of Stalin, Mao etc…

    • @tht@social.pwned.page
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      I mean Mao greatly regretted his plans and was very sad they didnt work, he went onto become a vegan and grow his own food as to not get the food meant for the workers

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            Life expectancy tanked from 40s to the 30s under Mao in 1960 because of the famine. It went back up because Mao took a step back from governing and moderates introduced economic reforms to save the economy that Mao hated by the way and life expectancy shot up.

            If I kick someone in the teeth then a dentist gives them implants, they technically have a better smile because of me. Are they gonna give me credit for it? Doubtful. Likewise, don’t give Mao credit for someone else fixing a mess he created.

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          Mao introduced some terrible measures, for sure, but it’s a long shot to say he’s “Responsible for” every death or imply it was at all deliberate. Famines in China were more widespread and frequent pre-Mao.

          • @SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
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            Mao played a personal role in organising the mass repressions and established a system of execution quotas,[175] which were often exceeded.[165] He defended these killings as necessary for the securing of power.[176]

            You ever love a group of people so much you personally set an execution quota on them?

  • @electric_nan@lemmy.ml
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    I just took a look at your participation in the hexbear thread you are referencing, and I’m confused about the issue. Seems like you got mostly thoughtful and positive replies. There was some .world bashing at the end including the bit you quoted. It seems strange to me that rather than ask questions about hexbear to the actual users there, you came over here to ask on an instance that has daily threads complaining about leftist instances.

  • @neidu3@sh.itjust.worksM
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    Tankies, mostly. They’re on my blocklist,but managed to avoid it for a disgustingly long time; they do have some good content from time to time, but in the end seeing the repeated vitriol and genocide denialism simply wasn’t worth it.

      • @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
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        Hmm, I obviously know it’s not cool to use the R-word, but the M-word is also out of bounds now? I will rephrase my comment out of respect for persons of intellectual disability who might happen to come across my comment on Lemmy, while still attempting to convey my feelings about hexbear in an attempt to answer the question posed by OP.

        Yeah I think a lot of Lemmings tried to give them a chance when we first joined, because we are pretty left leaning already so we figured communists couldn’t be that bad. Unfortunately, they’re actually far more stupid and toxic than anyone could possibly imagine.

        I used to recommend for people to make up their own mind whether to block them, but I now feel it’s better to block them immediately, because they’re really just the worst kind of people who will do anything to bring others down to their level of misery.

        If the S-word is also problematic, please provide me some guidance as to how I might describe persons of a certain type without offending anybody. I assume the D-word could be construed as offensive towards certain groups as well. I am asking genuinely, because I have no interest in causing anyone undue distress, but there surely must be a way of using the English language to express meaning precisely, otherwise it wouldn’t be a very useful language.

  • airportline
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    -28 months ago

    Honestly, if you’re not a communist, the less you know the better.

      • @Chip_Rat@lemmy.world
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        Would you be willing to explain the difference? I don’t know and I did do a google on it awhile back and I guess if I learned anything it didn’t stick…

        Signed: idiot on the internet who wants to know these things.

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          “Tankie” is a derogatory term for Marxist-Leninists. We support AES or “actually existing socialist” states, in contrast to left idealists who support every revolution except the ones that actually succeed, which can always be imagined as perfect because they never had to confront practical reality. We’re known for our opposition to war (except class war) and belief in multipolarity, which is the idea that one nation shouldn’t be the lone superpower with hegemony around the world, and we treat the media with reasonable skepticism when it tries to tell us who to hate - ironically, these traits cause us to be characterized as militaristic, authoritarian, and blindly gullible.

          People who have never read any communist theory beyond the Manifesto (if that) don’t think we’re real communists because they have no idea what they’re talking about.

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          Someone else already commented how tankies got their name.

          Tankies in the comments can generally be recognized by:

          • Anything that a liberal democratic country does is bad.
          • Authoritarian regimes such as China, Venezuela, Russia, North-Korea, … are somehow the good guys, no matter how well documented their transgressions against human rights are. Tankies defend Russia’s invasion of Ukraine for example.
          • Because tankies want to present some atrocious regimes and people as the good guys, they have to twist the truth a lot. So they constantly lie and misrepresent/omit facts to push their false narrative.
          • Since they’re not interested in an actual discussion or non tankie viewpoints, they employ non-constructive discussion techniques to score points and “win” arguments. And this last bullet point is mostly why everyone else hates them.
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            The last point especially for Hexbear. Holy shit you have to see it. It’s like walking into 4chan if it were a highschool with their endless meme train circlejerk and single image replies all the while being shitheads in bad faith.

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              Their entire thing is “dunking” on people. It’s all harassment and bad faith acting.

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          As far as I am aware, the primary difference is that tankies are authoritarian. They got their name because they supported the USSR sending tanks into Hungary in 1956. I’ve seen many express positive opinions towards China and North Korea while ignoring or denying things like mass censorship in both countries, China’s concentration camps of Uyghur Muslims or the fact that people and their families risk death if they try to flee North Korea.

          I typically add a user note to all tankies I encounter or I just block them.

          Edit: I originally incorrectly cited that they got their name because they deny the tiananmen square massacre (which they claim was either peaceful or non-existent). It is still true that they deny it, but it is not the origin of their name.

          • @Sootius@lemmy.ml
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            I continue to say: Wikipedia itself states that between 0 and 1 people died in Tienanmen Square. Nobody denies protests happened elsewhere.

            • Lumelore (She/her)
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              That’s not even remotely true.

              Here is what wikipedia actually says

              The number of deaths and the extent of bloodshed in the square itself have been in dispute since the events. The government actively suppressed discussion of casualty figures immediately after the events, and estimates rely heavily on eyewitness testimony, hospital records, and organised efforts by victims’ relatives. As a result, large discrepancies exist among various casualty estimates. Initial estimates ranged from the official figure of a few hundred to several thousand.

            • Lumelore (She/her)
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              Ok that does seem correct. I’ve just always heard from others that it was the tainanmen square massacre that gave them their name.

              • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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                How unsurprising that someone going around calling people tankies doesn’t actually know anything

        • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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          Tankie was initially someone who didn’t have an issue with running over protestors in a tank in support of their beliefs, and has grown to include anyone willing to use violent means in support of communist ideals.

          Current examples include supporting Russia or blaming Ukraine for the conflict, or supporting China invading Taiwan.

          • Diva (she/her)
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            you don’t seem to have an issue when it comes to running over Palestinians with tanks, most ‘tankies’ seem to actually be opposed to sending in the tanks.

              • Diva (she/her)
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                It’s pretty clear from your moderation and post history that you’re some form of noxious centrist extremist.

                • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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                  Centrist extremist is a new label for me.

                  For the record, I don’t support either party in that nightmare.

          • @PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
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            I don’t think it has grown to include that (or I don’t think it should have grown, if it actually has and I didn’t notice).

            Any revolution will require violent means. That doesn’t inherently make it bad, just sad. It depends who is the target of the violence.
            There aren’t many Americans who condemn the American revolution for it’s violence against the British, for example.

              • Cowbee [he/they]
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                Revolution varies in the quantity of violence required, but requires at minimum threat of violence. You can’t have a revolution by asking politiely and tying your hands behind your back.

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                  Of course not, you do it sneakily in the shadows gradually until it’s too late.

                  You see the beauty of my proposal is It needn’t wait on general revolution. I bid you to a one-man revolution— The only revolution that is coming.

              • @PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
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                I’m skeptical of that claim, but it’s not really important.

                To say that any communist that supports violence as a means is a tankie is to say all communists are tankies.
                But given that violence alone doesn’t make a revolution bad, and that tankie is a perjorative, then that definition isn’t fair or even really meaningful.

  • @DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world
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    They seem like grad users in the fact that no one outside their instance wants to federate with their toxic instance. Who would’ve guessed that a highly charged instances calls people “Hitlerites” as an insult. (Obv I lack context here regarding the comment.)

  • Count Regal Inkwell
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    Oh another one of these

    Short answer:

    “What if 4chan was communist instead of neonazi”

    Similar level of assholety and low post quality. Better politics. Overall don’t bother, not worth it.

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      lmao the blatant transphobia “disengage with the largest trans safe space on lemmy”

      you’re so obvious

      even if one assumes your trollish comment was in good faith, it only takes a single glance at hexbears front page to see it’s filled with kindness and reason. just people having fun online while still making space for serious discussion. and again, making sure marginalized people are safe and welcome. I wonder what your real issue with the site is?

      seriously, what other site allows trans people to safely and comfortably be ourselves like this? https://hexbear.net/post/4271750

      • @RunawayFixer@lemmy.world
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        There’s 7 featured posts, which I assume are stickies made by the moderators. The 3rd post after that, so the 3rd actual popular post, is “fucking libs are still making excuses in the comments”. Such kindness and reason …

        • OBJECTION!
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          Funny how you don’t say anything about what that post is actually about - it’s about redditors excusing Kamala’s support for Israel. They aren’t kind to you if you defend the mass slaughter of civilians, no.

          It seems to me that showing equal kindness to oppressor and oppressed would be supporting the oppressor.

          • @RunawayFixer@lemmy.world
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            Deragotory language, generalization & stigmatization. It is hate speech against all liberal minded people, there is nothing kind or reasonable about it.

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              Hate speech? Is “lib” a slur now? Are liberals a protected class? It’s not “hate speech” it’s just criticism of a political position.

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                Literally got banned from a world com for using “lib” as a slur. Honestly, they’re not a protected class but they’re such idiots post election loss that it might as well be a slur. They have zero self reflection and are blaming everybody but themselves for the landslide loss of the presidency, the house, the senate, state and local government positions. Everyone else just voted wrong and hates minorities you see.

              • @RunawayFixer@lemmy.world
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                “A pejorative word, phrase, slur, or derogatory term is a word or grammatical form expressing a negative or disrespectful connotation, a low opinion, or a lack of respect toward someone or something.[1] It is also used to express criticism, hostility, or disregard.”

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pejorative

                So yes, it’s a slur.

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                  Lmao. Guess we better update the slur filter to remove all instances of the word “lib.” Sorry, am I allowed to say it in quotes like that, or is it too offensive? I wouldn’t want to offend your delicate lib sensibilities.

        • comfy
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          That’s a bold claim. A quick look at their top communities list (one of the top 15 being explicitly a ‘community for transgender and gender diverse people’) and the first two rules of their CoC make it seem especially trans friendly.

          • Psychadelligoat
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            one of the top 15 being explicitly a ‘community for transgender and gender diverse people’

            And as we all know if someone says they’re a certain way that makes it so!

            This level of naivete seems to be a requirement for being on .ml

            • db0
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              Look, there’s no reason to disbelieve here. If they claim to be trans, and they try to have trans-friendly policies, and keep talking about trans issues, why go this route?

              Is your greater point that they’re pretending to be mostly trans as a way to use their trans-identity as a shield for criticism? If so, criticize that when they do it. The counter-argument to “you can’t criticize me because I’m trans” shouldn’t be “you’re not trans”, it should be “being trans is not a defense”. Ya follow?

              And if the argument is that hexbear want to appear more trans in order to “virtual signal”, then I’d say there’s plenty to criticize about the way they run their instance, we don’t need to try and deny anything good they do.

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                Look, there’s no reason to disbelieve here.

                Everyone just pretending it’s not hex ear we’re talking about

                • db0
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                  HB tend to be vary campist and do tend to rely on bad faith and hypocrisy a lot, but I don’t have them as act as direct liars.

            • @PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
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              If only there was a way to verify their claim so you weren’t forced to take their word for it.

              Look, maybe you’re right. But this was one of the lamest responses to someone bringing receipts that I’ve ever seen.

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              Since you’re bringing up instance stereotypes, I have to say I’m disappointed to see baseless conspiracy claims from a dbzer0 user. dbzer0 is usually decent.

              And as we all know if someone says they’re a certain way that makes it so!

              Are you implying that this active community is somehow just an elaborate hoax? Why?

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                Are you implying that this active community is somehow just an elaborate hoax?

                Oh, nice, a lack of reading comprehension as well

        • Cowbee [he/they]
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          This is a very bad take. It is well-documented that Hexbear’s userbase is around 50% trans, and has a well-developed moderation team in order to protect their userbase. Discounting trans people because they disagree with you politically is in fact transphobia.

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          If you think Hexbear is trans-friendly, then you’re transphobic.

          No, lol.

          Someone complaining about being harassed by transphobic chasers and you said “good”, it’s for allies.

          bruh wtf

          • Cowbee [he/they]
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            Leate’s modlog is filled with homophobia and transphobia under the guise of being an ally, this is a pattern and not a one-off.

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              Many such cases tbh, so many of these types are extremely quick to accuse others of ‘faking’ their positions and it’s always projection.

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                100%. Leate in particular has a nasty habit of suicide baiting and blocking anyone who calls them out, DM harrassment, and more. The loudest complainers about Hexbear are overwhelmingly the ones who got banned for bigotry, which they think they can hide by not mentioning that factor.

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                  I’ve noticed that in .world spaces that users will bring up suicide unprompted, or call me mentally ill, only to delete their posts before moderation happens

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          Transphobia is when you disagree with a liberal about anything, regardless of how much you support and respect trans people, apparently.

      • @blackn1ght@feddit.uk
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        There is literally nothing transphohic about their comment, what the hell are you on about? People don’t like Hexbear because it’s trans-friendly, people dislike it because of their tankie politics and users that act like edgy 14 year olds.

    • comfy
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      “What if 4chan was communist instead of neonazi”

      Not quite, that would be /leftypol/

      wiki page / KnowYourMeme


      Better politics.

      This reminds me of one of their site banners:

      screenshot of a chan imageboard post with the text "What the fuck? Why does /pol/ have one or two reading lists and /leftypol/ has tons?"

      • Count Regal Inkwell
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        Hexbear has its origins on Reddit’s ChapoTrapHouse which I’m pretty sure has a connection to leftypol in its history.

        But sure

        My point is:

        Hexbear = Jerkoffs, except class conscious

        Would be nice if they weren’t jerkoffs but hey, at least they have class consciousness.

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          This analysis isn’t quite accurate. On the whole, Hexbear is actually one of the kindest and coolest and community-minded places I’ve ever been on the internet. But I’d agree there’s an issue of a portion of users who happily get overly aggro if you annoy them (and being allowed to get away with it).