To be clear, I am only talking about people like the average working class Trump voter. The ones who just got caught by misinformation, and just haven’t been able to find a way out. Trump and all his mates are terrible people, and should be held accountable.
The average voter is another thing. My attitude is that I got lucky, and found out that Trump and his mates are terrible, instead of getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting them. Knowing how fascism works, I don’t know if I’d be able to reliably land on the right side if fascism happened in my home country. And if I don’t believe I could reliably spot fascism, I’m not comfortable acting like those who support Trump could have.
This isn’t a discussion of “just be a good person”. I know plenty of amazing, caring people who believe they’re doing the right thing.
This whole idea of “I can’t say is reliably avoid fascism” is based on this, the school that became fascist for a week. As bad of an experiment that was from that teacher, it was an effective way of teaching how people fall for what should be obviously a bad thing.
As a non-USian viewing all this from the outside, I’d say blaming the people at the bottom for what the largest gaslighting machine in the history of human civilization has managed to achieve is absolutely masochistic.
Your anti-democratic political establishment is to blame for this.
Seriously. Ever liberal I know immediately started blaming the voters
I blame capitalism, the underfunded education, and the well-oiled propaganda machine of the tech industry
This.
Both sides got you to this point.
Both sides this both sides that
Have you ever considered that the world doesn’t conform to your intuitions of perfect balance?
I blame capitalism. It’s profitable to keep Americans stupid.
Zero percent. This time the blame lies 100% on the Democrats.
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I won’t associate with those fascist.
I blame First-past-the-post voting. FPTP voting created a uncompetative environment where these 2 weak unrepresentative political parties can hang on to power.
Just as much as I blame people that didn’t vote
I blame them all to the fullest extent
Just to be clear i am not defending the extremists. So before you judge this just remember I’m not talking about shit like QAnon. Those guys can fuck right off.
I don’t hate all of them. They just fell for the propaganda, which none of us are immune to. I don’t think the average republican is as racist or fascist waiting for an opportunity to do shitty things. They are just people that want a better life for themselves and their families like the rest of us do. The problem is that they’ve been led to believe the democrats and immigrants are responsible instead of the literal people they voted into office and the corporations dictating their every choice through algorithms and misinformation. They’ve been bamboozled to the highest degree and we shouldn’t hate them for that. And we’ve been led to believe that republicans are responsible for all of our problems when it’s literally the people we vote into office fucking us over too. We’re both getting fucked by everyone in charge and we all take it in stride when it’s “our guy.”
I remember when I was a kid back in the early 2000’s there was a sentiment between pretty much everyone that the government doesn’t give a shit about us. Sayings like “fuck the system” were ubiquitous when I was I’m high-school regardless of if you were a Republican, Democrat, or somewhere in between. Nowadays we are being manipulated to hate each other for the smallest of reasons because it benefits the powers that be. And that’s not just Republicans. Like, when was the last time you had an actual conversation with a Republican that wasn’t trying to tell them they are wrong and explain why you are right? And when was the last time a Republican talked to you without doing the same thing?
Like when it really comes down to it, why the fuck are we fighting with each other when we all know FOR A FACT we are all being manipulated to hate each other? The extremists can’t fuck right off, but the average American from all backgrounds are being manipulated to hate each other instead of looking at the real issues. And now we have fucking Elmo doing a Nazi salute at the fucking inauguration of the president. And I’m sure a lot of average republicans are just as pissed as everyone else. And for the democrats, Biden just rode off into the sunset like it was another fucking Monday.
It’s all about money and power. If you go through and look at the majority of reasons why you hate the average republican or hate the average democrat, I can guarantee if you go back far enough you will find someone trying to sell you something or make money off you. And when you see the average American regardless of politics out in the wild, are they really that different from you? As long as we keep insulting each other for the dumbest shit, the only thing we are going to accomplish is exactly what they want. When a certain Mario brother brought us all together on a topic for once, how long did it take for us to go back to hating each other? A couple days? A week, maybe?
So I guess TL;DR is no, not really. We are all susceptible to propaganda and we all fall for it. Just remember the next time you’re pissed off at someone, try to think about whether or not it’s your opinion or what someone told you is your opinion. And that goes for both “sides.” The powers that be are bamboozling us all so we ignore the fact that it’s their fault.
Trump has been trash since the 1980s. He was a garbage president in 2016. If you “fell for it” in 2020 and/or 2024, you’re dumber than dirt.
What is an “average working class Trump voter” ?
With private ballots why are you so sure rich upper middle class people didn’t vote for him ?
He won the popular vote. That doesn’t happen with just upper middle class people.
I am considering whether my mother and I will have a relationship going forward. It was already strained by the last orange term. I instituted a no-politics rule to save our relationship.
She knows I’ve been planning to move to NZ because he won again. I mentioned that I’m feeling enormous conflict about leaving my partner (can’t follow due to refugee status and lack of citizenship) and she told me she’s optimistic about the future and we live in the “greatest country on earth.” This was on inauguration day and I fucking lost it.
Emails that I have sent to her since:
Subj: Trump orders US withdrawal from the World Health Organization - Ars Technica
You shouldn’t vote and your offspring have to live with the consequences of your vote.
Subj: He pardoned the Jan 6 rioters
You contributed to violent criminals (some convicted of seditious conspiracy) walking free. You did this.
Subj: You voted to humiliate my friends
https://www.notus.org/whitehouse/trump-gender-sex-order-passports
Subj: Trump Rescinds Biden Order Aimed at Lowering Prescription Drug Prices
You cause harm to innocent people with your vote.
Honestly, I’ve concluded that she’s a bad person for voting for him. I still love her. She raised me and protected me from an abusive father (as best she could). But this fucking sucks and she sucks for helping to make it happen. There’s a real possibility that I will end my relationship with her because of this. And that sucks, but there has to be a line.
So how far have you gotten with your plans for NZ? I ask because I always see people commenting about doing that but 99.9% of them are just venting.
A lot.
The information was not hidden, he wasn’t even trying to hide it. It’s not like you had to read between the lines. Anyone who willingly voted for him is on my shit-list. I understand not liking Biden or Kamala, but I will never understand looking between them and Trump and thinking that, in any way, he would be the better alternative in any capacity. He is a facist, and even worse, he’s a dumb one. He’s easily entertained and influenced. He doesn’t care about anyone that isn’t him (or that he doesn’t want to fuck). He’s not president because he cares, he’s president because he can. I think anyone who voted for him was incredibly selfish, minimum. “He’s going to lower groceries.” Even if he did, is that worth it the oligarchy? Is it worth losing rights? Is it worth Palestine? Is it worth everything else increasing? Is it worth making way for a Dictator? Is it worth making a home for facists? Is it worth watching families be ripped apart?
I would say no, but many of my countrymen disagreed.
A lot.
I know there’s a proportion that were simply ignorant and tuned out of politics… but most Trump voters did so over the very loud objections of trans relatives or while openly embracing the nativism.
Lastly, I think that Harris did a terrible job advocating for her election and she owns a fair portion of the blame as well.
Trump wasn’t an unknown this time. He attempted to subvert our election process and he’s a convicted rapist. He openly embraced corruption during his last term and is already shilling crypto bullshit.
Trump voters are terrible selfish people - end of story.
