The lack of content compared to reddit. If you look at !learn_programming@programming.dev for example, there is only one post this week, and 4 posts this month. How is it that, with all the web developers and AI vibe coding shit, no one is actually asking questions?
When I was on reddit, I had to hide posts because there were 10 or 20 interesting questions every day.
Yep, I had same reaction. Since there are so many tech nerds on here, as most early adopters are, I thought that community would have a lot more content. But I’ll be adding to it soon enough since I just started to learn programming! :)
It’s a negative feedback loop. There is a good chance programmers asking questions NEED the answer (homework, work-work) so they don’t risk asking in low pop forums, making the forum low pop because there are no questions.
Mods seem inactive.
If people are interested in that topic (or any other), they can join !fedigrow@lemmy.zip. That community regroups people trying to grow communities, and the issues they face.
The lemmy.ml instance not being treated the same as the rest of the Triad in regards to defederation
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558
CW: Original transphobic Comment from Nutomic
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And a long list of bans/censorship and allowing the proliferation of known propaganda and misinformation outlets clearly demonstrating use of their instance and recognition to force a political narrative
PieFed doesn’t have any of these issues
It does, since it still federates with lemmy.ml…
I think the parent comment is talking about piefed the software, compared to Lemmy the software, not the specific
piefed.socialinstance they’re posting from.That would explain. But that comment is in answer to the top-level comment about the lemmy.ml instance.
The developers of the Lemmy software are the admins of the lemmy.ml instance and are problematic. The complaint is that the software itself can’t be separated from the priorities of the .ml instance.
Piefed doesn’t have the same issue, even if the flagship instance federates with .ml
i block the whole instance, so i dont have to deal with any of those posts, but the single .ml accounts can still be problematic.
I am currently working on a report on vote manipulation and the early results are showing clear signs of the some most prolific .ml accounts participating in brigading and vote manipulation.
that was so pervasive on reddit, you either get banned, or ended up arguing more and then get banned.
I can’t count the number of times I made a comment way deep in a chain that conflicts with .ml dogma, and after the first downvote, there are suddenly 5 more within minutes
User volume and diversity is probably the main thing right now.
We just need more people posing shit, the fact that one or two users can dominate my feed if they choose to is not ideal. (Though often I appreciate the content anyway)
The diversity aspect is around how we have a lot of people in a small handful of demographics on here. It’s getting better every day, but the thing that made Reddit great before they ruined it was everything you could think of had a community of people posing stuff about it, doesn’t matter how niche.
One leads to the other though, more users naturally will mean increasingly diverse interests in our userbase.
It’s about time Reddit fucked something else up anyway, it’s been a few months
We just need more people posing shit, the fact that one or two users can dominate my feed if they choose to is not ideal.
That’s because so many on Lemmy would rather downvote than post anything.
The negatives of a social site combined with the negatives of an unpopular social site.
Lemmy devs - they are a curse and a blessing. A blessing that they worked on lemmy before reddit exodus. A curse as it’s hard to contribute to the codebase and related components.
At least we have mbin and piefed to federate with.
Also in the 2 years since, the culture has shifted. There is less: “This is a new place. let’s make it enjoyable for everyone” and more “I am right, everyone is wrong, and I will ruin your day”, but that could be just my perception and not enough blocking.
“I am right, everyone is wrong, and I will ruin your day”
u/Ludrol
This WILL be the fate of EVERY alternative social media platform. Part of Fediverse or not. As all alternate social media platforms birth from some sort of protest/activism/boycott, the best example is how Shittit (Reddit) API changes gave birth to Shitmmy (Lemmy) and Deadbin (Mbin). Alternate platforms usually give space to de-platformed individuals. In the past Alt social medias gave space for the far right and alt-right, now it’s far left and alt-left. Nothing different. Just look at what shitshow is going on in Shitsky (Bluesky) and Shitlight social (Skylight social)! Every post is “Orange man bad!”, “MAGA Bad!”. I gave Shitlight social a try and couldn’t stand it! The folks there are chronically online and so deluded that they think everyone is MAGA, like there was a video where a young 11 year girl drove her parents car to the supermarket to buy something and crashed the car into the supermarket, the comments were like “The parents are Trump supporters!”. I was like WTF! There was no media coverage of this incident (at the point when the video was made), the video was filmed by someone inside the supermarket, no other context, no nothing! And those deluded foids were screaming “Her parents are Trump supporters!” without even knowing the girl’s name! To them everyone is a Trump supporter. Every alt media platform will become like this- filled with individuals on the extreme sides of the political spectrum. No alt media platform will reach mainstream status including the ones on Shitiverse (Fediverse).
lemmy.ml and its admins being the developers at the same time.
Tankies on their way to hate private ownership and dictatorship of the bourgeoisie so much that they begin to love state ownership and dictatorship of the bureacracy
I don’t think that in itself if the problem. anyone can host an instance. The problem is lemmy.ml being the apparent default instance, advertising itself as an instance for privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, and not mentioning seemingly anywhere in the description/rules that only red flavour authoritarian dogma is allowed in political discussion.
“America bad, therefore former ‘communist’ russia and current ‘communist’ china good.”
Edit: it’s not featured as prominently as it used to be on join-lemmy.org so things may be improving. they should still mention in the description that western viewpoints on many issues are not allowed due to “rule 1”
Huh, just checked out the ranking on join-lemmy.org. The default setting is “random”, which might be why it’s not featured up top.
But what’s weird is that lemmy.world isn’t in the ranking at all.
If you sort by active, the top two are lemmynsfw.com, followed by lemmy.ml.
Good, because .world is one of the more toxic ban-happy instances in the fediverse.
well tbf they are the two most active servers there though. not sure why .world isnt on there though. maybe removed temporarily so that newbies filter out to smaller instances
IIRC it is intentional that world isn’t there to help spread out users to other instances.
They certainly mislead me. My first year or so was on lemmy.ml @PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml
After repeated bans i decided to move to a more relaxed instance. i still interact with lemmy.ml because some of the bigger open source communities are there, but .ml admins now cannot block me from accessing the full lemmyverse, only their diminishing corner of it
im glad i blocked that instance, i was accidentally engaging into too many .ml posts there were mirror image of how conservatives posts, just whining and chastising opinions.
I realized .ml was fucking insane and delusional when they glorified Stalin and refused to recognize the atrocities he committed.
No matter what your political stance is, as soon as you deny negative facts and exclusively push the “positives” it becomes a problem and may radicalize you (if that isn’t already the case).
What happened to nuanced moderate politics? It seems people unconditionally put the “left” or “right” label on themselves. And ironically these blind followers will have the audacity to call anyone close to the political center, or people who are honest with themselves, cowards.
Yeah, well the guy who runs it is a notorious tankie.
You either tow the pro stalinist line or you are punished
I was on .ml first after leaving reddit, because I didn’t know this was the case, until I called out straight up state propaganda and defended capitalism with social and ethical policies once. You can imagine how they responded to that.
Switch to PieFed and this issue goes away.
A few options
- https://piefed.social/ - flagship instance
- https://piefed.zip/ - lemmy.zip team
- https://piefed.ca/ - lemmy.ca team
- https://feddit.online/
Lemmy.ml needs to be defederated from all other instances. It’s literally an extremist instance of hate and bigotry.
We need more users, to do that we need more advertising.
I was waiting to leave reddit for like a year before i found out about lemmy.
There’s no way the twitter clone Bluesky should have absorbed the fleeing reddit users instead of this space that functions just like reddit.
I know that Reddit doesn’t outright ban Lemmy talk, but on my reddit profile, I updated it with my Lemmy username link. I got banned from reddit a couple of hours later. No reason given. And I hadn’t made any recent posts. Ban reason was “violating rules.” lol
I had accounts banned for no reason after recommending lemmy to people, or makikg a username with lemmy in it.
Pretty sure they have a filter setup that automatically bans you.
removed by mod
not enough of my niche interests from reddit moved here. also the sports communities are a little bit like ghost towns
It’s pretty much a symptom of having a small userbase. The most niche thing that can maintain activity isn’t very niche yet. I hope and expect it will improve over time, and in the meanwhile I’d like to see the attitude to Reddit repost bots to soften.
Yeah same, the only solution is for you yourself to post in those niche communities more often, making them more active and thus more attractive for other users.
little bit like ghost towns
Welcome to my world! I try to post sports I watch on !sports@beehaw.org as much possible as I can. Same goes for !Football@sopuli.xyz and for !tennis@lemmy.world. Lately is more politics and memes.
Pleasantly surprised to see a football community that is actually about the game where you kick a ball with your foot.
Beehaw being defederated from LW and SJW prevents around 30% of the people on the platform of seeing that community. Have you considered maybe posting to a community on an instance that is more accessible?
I didn’t even know that they were defederated, I will thanks for the info!!
Happy to help, let me know once you settle for a community, I can help try to post there too!
I see !sportsnews@thelemmy.club this !sports@feddit.org and this !sports@lemmy.org The first one looks active, we can post news there.
Thank you for the first!
For the first one, the main mod and poster there seems quite active on !conservative@hilariouschaos.com https://thelemmy.club/u/realcaseyrollins@narwhal.city
Their modlog https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=157506
I’m not the biggest fan of feddit.org since https://feddit.org/post/12529640 and https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/44422088
https://lemmy.org seems to be a one-admin thing, they wanted to sell the domain name for 20k https://lemmy.org/post/90035
Seems like we might have to start a new community x)
Look I get what you trying to say, but we need to pick one, and there are not a lot of communities to do that(without making a new one). check this one !Sportsball@lemmings.world but I believe the first one was ok.
It’s just a community in the end, we should leave politics aside on this IMO.
The people on Lemmy are mostly weird obsessive leftists who have little interest in talking about anything else and disagree with each other for having nearly identical views in the grand scheme of things. I still like Lemmy but it can get tiring talking about anything especially if you mention something that people have decided is evil like AI.
the population is 99% children. Dumb, reactionary etc.
some of them are moderators
Lemmy was architected by people whose philosophical intentions are out of alignment with the software they cloned.
That system was designed to invite as many idiots as possible, to bait as much engagement as possible, with virtually no controls on quality or intelligence.
Well congratulations Lemmy, you’ve made the next Reddit. There’s no reason to be here, it’s just a pile of morons for the most part.
one of us… one of us… one of us
No and you can see from my comment history that once .ee shuts down I’m gone. This place is just idiotville and I don’t consider myself one of you.
don’t let the door hit you on the way out
Same as with every other social media … the people.
I’m not your friend, buddy!
I’m not your buddy, guy!
Im not your guy, pal!
I’ll be your pal
It’s just as bad of an echo chamber as other sites. I have to actively “stop” browsing lemmy after a bit because I get annoyed at the repetitive nature of everything.
I’ve very much tried in the last few years to limit social media. I think it’s been a benefit for me. I like social media, but having “stops” makes it more enjoyable and prevents the doom feelings.
Some Communities are still controlled by people with absurd egos and overconfidence. Most of them hate people too, which is fun for a community manager.
I think it mirrors real life though, the type of people who want to be leaders tend to be assholes, and the ones who would be good at leading won’t volunteer to do it.
Smaller user base. It is both good and bad but the community for my city is dead (probably there were only like 8 of us on here).
Am old enough to know from experience that the early people on any platform are the computer geeks so expect the tech communities to thrive first - but as someone else said, music communities die, sports, arts, things that are pretty widely popular. Honestly happy with the slow and steady growth of the !cocktails@lemmy.world so if it’s an indicator, the general interest people are joining just not quickly but some must be sticking. I would guess at some point it will be perfect then too big but who knows?
Personally I also miss the nonsexual nudes threads like nakedprogress and normalnudes. Again that’s a lack of users issue, you need a lot of people willing to post, to have even a few willing to post nude.
I was a very early reddit user and this just feels like Reddit twenty years ago
Duplicate communities posting the same content over and over again.
Communities are tied to an instance. How many communities will die because lemm.ee is shutting down? There is a slightly mad rush to migrate communities already.
Lemmy should have used usent style naming for communities.
Communities are tied to an instance. How many communities will die because lemm.ee is shutting down? There is a slightly mad rush to migrate communities already.
This is what the Piefed community migration system is designed to mitigate. It makes communities completely modular, allowing a community to move their entire posting history to another instance. As soon as it can pull subscribers automatically, it’ll be as if nothing happened.
the architecture of lemmy, both socially and technically, is not working as hoped and it’s likely it will suffer an effective death before it evolves sufficiently to enable distributed communities
the federated model is too lumpy and fragmented at the same time
Duplicate communities posting the same content over and over again.
Piefed solves that issue: https://piefed.zip/post/100161
All comments from 5 crossposts in a single view
A few options
- https://piefed.social/ - flagship instance
- https://piefed.zip/ - lemmy.zip team
- https://piefed.ca/ - lemmy.ca team
- https://feddit.online/
How many communities will die because lemm.ee is shutting down?
Active communities have moved elsewhere:
Inactive communities weren’t active in the first place.
How does piefed handle when communities have the same name but different purposes? Like ‘conservative’ being a ‘satire’ community on one instance and a breitbart repost community on another?
Usually they have different icons.
I’m on mobile, so usually if I have a doubt (!europe@feddit.org vs !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com have the some icon) I use my mouse to hover and see what community it is.
I think there is a feature request to allow communities to subscribe to other communities so that their posts and comments are synced.
Great, so the duplication happens automatically! This is solving the wrong problem, IMHO…
Lemmy uses ActivityPub, so that can’t really be done in line with the spec.
