Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?
That our entire existence and the world we live in -our so called reality- is being manipulated in every corner. Whether its historical, economical, entertainment wise, food, you name it.
MLK was killed by the US Government/with Government warning and approval not because of his policies on race, but because his message was getting (though somewhat always had been) socialist/anti-capitalist, and between the historic fear of slave revolts, the new fear of communist revolutions, and the monied business interests not wanting to cede any power they ended MLK to prevent potential calls for a social revolution.
That ones not really a conspiracy. We know the FBI did it.
People just don’t care, which is the most fucked up part
That doesn’t make it not a conspiracy, it makes it not a conspiracy theory. Instead, it is a factual conspiracy that is just not well known.
People care, but what are you going to do? Until the majority is ready to violently overthrow corrupt institutions you’re stuck with it. Now getting the majority to agree on which ones are corrupt… hoo boy. Good luck, America.
He would have eventually run for President. Malcolm X couldnt, but King could. King had lots of white people starting to side with him.
It’s insane how many left leaning leaders were assassinated. And it isn’t a coincidence that it was during the red scare. What we KNOW about McCarthyism is crazy enough, now think of all the stuff they wouldn’t say out loud to fight the “red menace.”
People are so unaware how common politically motivated murder was in the late 19th/early 20th century in the US. Our country is rittled with shallow graves belonging to labor and civil rights activists. Wikipedia for example has a list documenting anti-labor murders totaling just over 1100 that we know of. Much of that violence was especially targeted towards black labor organizers.
J Edgar Hoover wanted to round up all the “leftists” and put them in camps.
I put quotes around leftist because simply not hating black people was enough to get you on that list.
In both the BLM movement and OWS, leaders and organizers were still meeting untimely deaths and I don’t think the clandestine agencies of government have changed enough, (or at all), to rule them out.
Fun new things keep coming out.
Also tupac and biggie got removed becuase they spoke about things elites didnt like to be replaced by the prosperity rap clowns to worship them and their money to the plebs.
sardines are actually a cheap, nutritious and filling dinner
Do you really think making a martyr out of MLK is a strategy the US gov wouldn’t have anticipated had they murdered him/let him be murdered?
Dude would not be what he is today had he not been murdered.
Have you ever listened to MLK speak or read anything he’s written? Dude would absolutely be what he is today if he had not been murdered.
Have you ever listened to MLK speak or read anything he’s written?
No I was raised in Antarctica.
Dude would absolutely be what he is today if he had not been murdered.
Not a chance. There is no shortage of motivational speakers in this world.
But as a martyr the government can paint him as being only about racism, not about economics.
Also he was assassinated 4 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, so to say he wouldnt remembered without being killed is a gross exaggeration. It may have boosted his legacy, but there is not doubt he would still be an important figure in American history.
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is ultimately responsible for 1999 bombings, if you count is as a conspiracy theory that is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
Epstein didn’t kill himself.
9/11 wasn’t an inside job, but the American government did cover up their failures to prevent it.
I’ve heard some speculate that Al Qaeda had placed explosives or fuels inside the buildings in advance, suggesting that they had access to them days or weeks in advance. If true, I can absolutely see a campaign to cover up their failure to prevent it.
Half the conspiracies about 9/11 are from people not having the basic understanding that they collapsed the building after the fact as a desperately needed safety precaution.
Like no shit they used demolitions tools capable of taking down steel. You can’t leave it to fall on its own whenever that happens to be.
Are you talking about 7? Don’t remember if that was the building number, but the one that wasn’t hit? I assume you don’t mean the twin towers.
All the “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” nonsense like the fact that demolitions grade high-powered explosives being used is some conspiracy instead of the obviously necessary act to take when a skyscraper is damaged and no longer structurally sound.
I know this is kinda vain, but wouldn’t it be unconstitutional for the government to orchestrate things that killed its own people? It wouldn’t be the only time because I know the pentagon(?) was considering staging domestic terror attacks on US cities to justify invading Cuba (I can link the Johnny Harris video)
Just because it’s unconstitutional doesn’t stop the government from doing whatever it wants to its citizens if someone thinks they can justify/get away with it. Government entities have a long history of doing what they want regardless of what the Constitution says. Sherman’s March to the Sea, the interment of Japanese Americans, nuclear weapons testing in the Pacific Ocean, the Tuskegee Experiment, the MOVE bombing in Philadelphia, etc… The Constitution is just pieces of paper. Its power comes from those willing - and able - to enforce it.
Especially not on lower Manhattan. I could maybe see a reason to let them fall down on their own, if they had been in the middle of a gigantic empty field, but never inside a city, fall the wrong way there and they can bring a couple of blocks down with them.
Epstein isn’t even dead
Interesting theory. In order for this to work he’d need to mastermind the operation to fake his death. He would have to, at a minimum:
Obtain a suitable body and some kind of face mask based on his likeness.
Convince the two guards to malfunction the camera, move the newly acquired body into the cell and stage a suicide, then fall asleep.
Find a way to escape the prison, obtaining a suitable disguise to aid in the escape.
Grease the palms of the medical examiner to look the other way when the body is examined post-mortem. May also need to bribe other officials as well.
Obtain means to escape the country (probably the easiest part of this entire operation).
If he can’t go back to his Island, purchase another one. Perhaps get cosmetic surgery so he doesn’t obviously look like Epstein.
Keep a low profile for essentially the rest of his life.
Yeah. He has his blackmail and beneficieries so there’s a ton of powerful people to make that happen
Also there was the “wrong ears on the corpse!” situation.
I like theories which are plausible yet also stupid.
Epstein not killing himself is not a conspiracy theory unless you are elite pedobear who did it lol
I don’t think a sexual predator avoiding being held accountable for his crimes is that far fetched
except that the guards conveniently both fell asleep, and the camera malfunctioned all at the same time.
Sadly, general incompetence and buffoonery is far more widespread than you think.
The industrial revolution is an illusion created by 14:th century wizards.
…Interesting.
Would you mind elaborating? I approach in good faith :)
No technology actually works, it is all a magical illusion. You may think a steam engine works with heated water and pressure; a computer with circuits and electrons; etc.; well, that is all gobbledygook, and what actually makes any of these things do things that occasionally seem useful is nothing but powerful illusion magic. If the assembly of mages decide to dispell the illusion, we’ll be back in the middle ages. For one thing, it seems they never really got the illusion to work quite right for printers.
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I believe the military is covering up something about UAPs. I doubt it’s aliens but they know or should know more than they admit.
It’s the intersecting lasers making plasma thing they were working on, all the same physical properties and it’s probably what they were testing at that exercise where the tictac was filmed.
My guess is it half works but it impractical so they’re doing this poor cover up attempt to make China think it does work so they’ll invest r&d into it and waste resources, they used to do that to Russia all the time
Absolutely agreed here but I wouldn’t even consider that conspiracy, I think documents showing UAPs even admitted that. It being extraterrestrial would be the true WTF moment.
some of the OG UFOs were in fact prototype B2, alien technology is just catchier story than (boring for most people) new warplanes
I think it’s bogus and they’re using it to distract from something else, just like they used the culture war
100% it’s bogus. They aren’t using it as a distraction for any specific thing. They are using it because qanon and Jan 6th scared the shit out of the government and this is a way to keep conspiracy theorists busy.
It’s always just US spy craft, foreign spy craft, foreign craft of unknown purpose, weather balloons, weird atmospheric shit. Also: instrumentation fucking up/data corrupting. When you combine the instrumentation with any of the former, it doubles it.
We’re either alone as an intelligent species in this galaxy or the great filter is true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
Even with our current level of technology which has gone from first flight to landing on the moon in just 66 years we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years which is a blink of an eye.
I think life is common but humans are special or we’re fucked.
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we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years
This is just extrapolating based on math, while ignoring the reality of the actual situation.
Even if we have an amazing breakthrough tomorrow, the reality of interstellar colonization is that you would necessarily be creating two different species by doing so. They would have very little reason to cooperate after a relatively short time. Space is huge, y’all. Communication would be cumbersome at first, and rapidly get worse as the two different species diverged, first culturally, then physically.
And that’s even assuming that we would do it. You’re basically asking a large group of people to sacrifice enormously for, at best, a marginal benefit. We can’t even convince people to stop burning coal, and that’s for our own enormous benifit.
I get your point but it’s only marginal benefit for our limited immediate perspective. Even if we stop actively destroying our planet, we are still at risk of catching a stray asteroid and that would be it for our whole civilization and most of life. We really need to learn better self-preservation at an interstellar scale.
I don’t think we even understand the impact quantum computing will have on science over the next 100 years, much less what new discoveries we may make in the next 1,000 or 10,000 years. Also, I don’t think interstellar travel will necessarily look like what you think it will look like. We might not be flying huge man-made ships through space, but asteroids, or planets, or solar systems instead.
In Frank Herbert’s Dune books they get around that with eugenics. Which is both a solution and terrifying.
Yea, we’re talking about sending people out on trips that could last for hundreds/thousands of years, with no way to provide support or backup if anything goes wrong along the way, to go to other planets that may not even be habitable when they get there. We don’t know if there’s any other sort of faster-than-light travel even possible, so there very well may not be any space travel shortcuts. Chances are “the great filter” is just the astronomical distances between everything and so all life eventually figures out it’s better to just stay home. If anything, maybe the best we can hope for is to convert all the mass in our solar system into a Dyson sphere and just wait out our Sun for a few billion years, that may be more realistic than travel to another star system (maybe slightly less impossible).
Smack a religion on it and you’re good to go
Oh boy oh boy, here I go, schisming again!
I reckon 99% of biomass in the Universe has to be microbial and viral. Its the most successful life on Earth and lives everywhere pretty much. Looking for that 1% is going to be hard. SETI say the galaxy is like our ocean, but we’ve only sampled a small glass.
We feel alone, but that’s because all other intelligent life is staying away.
Nobody wants to meet meat.
How is that a conspiracy theory? Surely that’s philosophy/science extrapolation.
Whenever this comes up I remember the story of someone going to the Amazon and asking a tribe how to communicate long distances. Like future sci fi technology. They used drums to communicate so all they could come up with was really big drums that can go further than their current ones.
If they were looking for intelligent life they couldn’t even imagine radio waves nevermind understand it or search for it.
There is no filter, other forms of life are already here. UAPs are real and confirmed by the US government and military personnel.
People just can’t accept it. We aren’t special and we never were.
UAPs could be anything, we have no idea what. No evidence was presented that they are aliens, and the ex-intelligence guy who claimed that they are aliens also believes the Vatican is involved in the cover up, not exactly credible.
Or maybe there’s a bunch of civilizations that are currently 10 million years into their timeline and just haven’t reached us yet!
I like the theory that we’re a precocious intelligent species. Like, although the universe is 13 whatever billion years old it takes a few cycles of suns going supernova to disperse the heavier elements to the point where a planet can form that will sustain complex life. Maybe the Earth is one of the first set of planets suitable for intelligent life to develop on, and although the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and there has been life on it for 3.7 billion years there has maybe only been multicellular life for about 500-600 million years. It took hundreds of millions of years for an intelligent species to arise once there was complex life and maybe even that was lucky, who’s to say it doesn’t “usually” take a couple billion years.
On top of all that, the universe is expected to continue forming new stars for another trillion years, so yeah, maybe we are one of the first civilizations at the dawn of the universe.
It’s even more than that.
Imagine a dinosaur species was sapient, what do they use to fuel their industrial revolution? There might have a few scatterings of oil reserves but most of the fossil fuels we have were created at the end of their era. They’d have to jump from water power to nuclear.
We are in an incredible accident of timing and opportunity, and we’re wasting the convergence of eons on a few centuries.
Good point! I’m just gonna riff on some of this for a bit cause it’s fascinating. A sapient lifeform arising is not enough to guarantee a technologically advanced civilization. It blows my mind that there were stone tool making hominins over 3 millions years ago, well before the first human species. And the type of stone tools made by early humans didn’t change for a million years. We take it for granted that technology inexorably progresses but does it even? A million years of basically the same technology. And then like you said, how many of our advances were dependent on external factors like the formation of oil, or domesticatable food animals, farmable plants, WOOD ffs, and on and on really.
And our species went through a population bottleneck at some point, homo sapiens have a strikingly low genetic diversity compared to many other animal species, some theories suggest there were only 2000 of us as recently as 75,000 years ago. We almost went extinct, and all the other homo species did go extinct, before even making it out of the stone age.
Also, jumping back to the formation of the Earth, a lot of assumptions about alien life developing rests on how many other “Earths” there must be but there is something possibly unusual about our planet. Our moon. Not just that we have a moon but that it was likely formed by a collision with a Mars sized proto-planet called Theia. We ended up with a moon larger than a planet our size should have. The collision also caused the Earth to tilt on its axis. So at a minimum without that collision we wouldn’t have tides or seasons which seem like pretty important factors in spurring adaptations in life on Earth. Just having the extra mass helps Earth hold onto its atmosphere. Other effects of the Theia collision may include more water on Earth, more iron and other heavy elements, and more active plate tectonics/volcanism.
It’s late and I’m not sure that last part makes sense after a couple rewrites but yeah, incredible accident and convergence of eons and whatnot for sure. Cheers.
It blows my mind that there were stone tool making hominins over 3 millions years ago, well before the first human species.
Just thinking about this point for a second is really mind-blowing especially when you think about it with the added context that up until about 200-300 years ago, human technology levels were probably closer to the stone-tool wielders than it is to modern humans in an EV listening to music through a smartphone and navigating by a global satellite system.
Ooh that’d be a close call. Maybe though. I could see an argument at least. But at the same time… the 3 mya stone tool users were arguably closer to chimpanzees than modern humans, closest common ancestor being 6-8 mya. They probably couldn’t make fire, didn’t have language or clothes or make structures to live in. Even late stone age peoples were so much more advanced than that.
The agricultural revolution starting about 10,000 years ago would maybe be where I’d put the dividing point. Or bronze age 3,000 years ago?
But that might be underselling how much progress we’ve made since the start of the industrial revolution. I don’t know, interesting to consider though.
About the rare huge-moon part - there’s been a recent discovery of a pair of young, still-forming exoplanets sharing the same orbit in a young star system - “PDS 70”; one protoplanet is in the L4 or L5 “Trojan” LaGrange point of the bigger one. Physicists reckon Theia may well have formed in one of Earth’s Trojan points, before being perturbed out onto a collision course by a third planet (thanks Jupiter)
So. While the planetary-collision-forming-a-huge-moon idea sure sounds wild, it might not be incredibly rare. Maybe.
We’re still at the very early stage of knowing what is normal for solar systems.
Neat! Plug that into the Drake equation. Problem is everything in there is pretty much guesswork and estimates of the number of intelligent lifeforms capable of interstellar communication in our galaxy vary between 1 and like, 100 million.
I think that if it happened once it’s bound to have happened many times but then where’s the party at? Hopefully we are just early, maybe we can still be the host at least.
Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.
As far as I understand they could have stopped it but it would have required them swallowing their pride and sharing their data and cooperating with “rival” agencies.
They had all the information on 911 but all in different agencies and different people who didn’t connect the dots.
After blm and j6, I am assuming feds did it.
No big ticket item crime in US gets done with out them playing at least some role.
Hell they don’t even need to do much. A few internet comments, and bada bing bada boom, you got a headline.
The Looming Tower is a fantastic mini series which covers the inter agency bullshit that allowed it to happen
Yah, not really conspiracy, but BS that allowed bad things.
The real truth of 9/11 is far darker than the idea that it was an inside job. It being an inside job implies that the Bush administration was competent.
I mean, Bush and Saudi families have been friends for generations. Doesn’t seem too far fetched for them to work together.
It was actually Sonic
Lmfao seems reasonable, hopefully he’ll be held accountable
It actually was a weather balloon
Seed oilz baaaad!
The US, UK, Israel, China and Russia infiltrating my country.
That doesn’t narrow it down…
I think between those 5, there’s not a country on the planet that hasn’t been infiltrated.
Can you be any more specific? That narrows it down to “Not North Sentinel Island, probably”
What if one of those countries secretly visited North Sentinel Island with some guys in Crysis-like stealth exoskeletons to gather information? Anthropologists who are trained like a SEAL Team.
Hence “probably”. I haven’t completely ruled it out, although nominally speaking the island is Indias territory so they probably wouldn’t be very happy. Which doesn’t mean very much, admittedly.
All at the same time? What country are you from?
The south american country with huge territorial claims
Brazil?
Brazil doesn’t have territorial claims
So we’re only considering claims to land that is not possessed by the country. In that case I’d guess Argentina because Falklands.
Let’s say 1/20 believable conspiracy theories are true. If I disbelieve all of them I’ll be 19/20 = 95% correct.
If I believe in one of them there is a 1/20 chance I’ll pick the right one and be 100% correct and 19/20 chance I’ll pick the wrong one and have two incorrect beliefs (one false positive and one false negative). 1/20100+19/2090 = 90.5% correct.
Feel free to correct my not even a napkin math. Or challenge the assumption that only 1/20 believable conspiracy theories are true. Or just agree and outsource the effort of thinking to someone trying to compensate lack of sleep with egregious amounts of caffeine.
The US actually makes terrorists, and by extension refugees. If 9/11 wasn’t directly an inside job they probably let it happen or created the motive for the people involved.
Australia found an SAS soldier guilty of war crimes and were on video perpetuating a really nasty culture that almost certainly creates martyrs and needlessly extended our time in Afghanistan.
I don’t even think it matters whether or not Epstein killed himself. Because even if he did, there was too much incentive for those in power to build in the conditions to make it easy enough to happen. IRCC, he was on suicide watch. There had to be intentional negligence to allow the suicide to occur and it seems unlikely that no one attempted to tip the scale in favor of allowing it to happen.
