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Chris RemingtonM to World News@beehaw.org • 2 months ago

Finland to criminalise Holocaust denial

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Chris RemingtonM to World News@beehaw.org • 2 months ago
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The law is expected to take effect this autumn.
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      You need to read the definition of genocide. I highly recommend following that with the south African report to the ICJ

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        Gazan civilians are not being “targeted”. It is Hamas and Hezbollah who are intent on genocide. I mean they actual say it - why not believe them?

        If Israel is intent on genocide they aren’t very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but Cannot.

        Trump’s talk of “evicting” Gazans to Libya is disturbing. That would be ethnic cleansing.

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          Gazans civilians are absolutely being targeted

          See lavender. And the SA report

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            Why do you think Israel didn’t wipe out the Gazan population already?

            Let me present to you for the third time…

            If Israel is intent on genocide they aren’t very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but cannot.

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              Just because you repeat it doesn’t make it truth. You’re entitled to your opinion of the facts, but facts are facts.

              Stop arguing the facts of Genocide that is being conducted with your opinion if if it is. Drop the conversation and move on.

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                  the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.

                  • https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/03/israeli-public-figures-accuse-judiciary-of-ignoring-incitement-to-genocide-in-gaza

                  • https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

                  • https://www.mezan.org/public/en/post/46295/Genocide-Scholars-and-100-Palestinian-and-International-Civil-Society-Organisations-Call-on-Prosecutor-Khan-to-Issue-Arrest-Warrants,-Investigate-Israeli-Crimes-and-Intervene-to-Deter-Incitement-to-Commit-Genocide-in-Gaza

                  • https://www.humanrightsnetwork.org/publications/genocide-in-gaza

                  we conclude that Israel’s actions in and regarding Gaza since October 7, 2023, violate the Genocide Convention. Specifically, Israel has committed genocidal acts of killing, causing serious harm to, and inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction of Palestinians in Gaza


                  • https://www.hrw.org/report/2024/12/19/extermination-and-acts-genocide/israel-deliberately-depriving-palestinians-gaza

                  I refuse to compare tragedies with you. Israel is committing acts of genocide and inciting such. What was done in the past against them is not an excuse for what they are doing now to others. Scale is different, but a banana is a banana regardless of size.

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                    Am not asking you to compare, am asking you to explain how come the IDF (not rogue individuals) systemically cannot eliminate Gazans the way Hamas declare they wish they could elimate Jews? Are you calling for Hamas to surrender and end the war?

                    Do you think the IDF is that inept in their “targeting”?

                    Likud have just as disgusting right wingers in their midst (including Bibi) as Hamas have and I am sure there are plenty of war crimes that they turn a blind eye to.

                    That is not systemic genocide which is what OP is about. It is not just about scale. It is about intent. Nazi Germany rounded up civilians during peacetime and exterminated them.

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            you thought that 50,000 of less then 250,000 had been killed.

            I said 50,000 out of 2 million.

            So, genocide denial.

            No, a denial of your ridiculously inflated figures which not even Hamas claims.

            This is just straight up admitting that Israel is doing genocide

            Admitting that if you keep cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah, you are complicit in what might become the number of deaths you fantasise about. But I guess that is a sacrifice you are bravely willing to make.

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              I said 50,000 out of 2 million.

              You said that the population of Gaza was less then a quarter of a million.

              No, a denial of your ridiculously inflated figures which not even Hamas claims.

              So, genocide denial.

              Admitting that if you keep cheering on Hamas and Hezbollah, you are complicit in what might become the number of deaths you fantasise about. But I guess that is a sacrifice you are bravely willing to make.

              So an admition that Israel is exterminating the population, but that “Hamas is making us do it”.

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          A quarter of a million is more than the population of Gaza.

          No it isn’t. and if it was, then killing 50 thousand people would be killing an even larger percentage of the population than killing a quarter million…

          So that would be more than all the Arabs in Israel combined.

          No. It would be a quarter the population of Gaza. These are easily checked facts mate, not sure what you’re trying to prove by lying about them

          How is the war continuing if by your calculations IDF has already killed all Palestinians (including Palestinians who don’t even exist to make up your fantasy total).

          What exactly do you think the population of Gaza is?

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              And then tried to deny it when I pointed it out.

              But why not double down? You’re all ready a genocide denier.

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                  So, genocide denial

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