• @FReddit@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14•1 year ago

    I’d be more interested in protesting the fact that it’s now legal to grope women in Italy.

    The landmark decision involved a school janitor who jammed his hand into a 17 year old girl’s panties.

    Pick the hill you want to die on.

  • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶English
    67•1 year ago

    This is deliciously rich. They really painted themselves into a corner with that one!

  • @uis@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0•11 months ago

    What is protest part? Not sure it is malicious compliance either because contestant was not rebirthed as woman. Not that it’s possible unless you are buddhist.

  • @flyingjake@lemmy.oneEnglish
    26•1 year ago

    This is fantastic, while having them obviously in drag is delicious, it would be even more stark if some of them present as traditional male too and really bring the point home.

    • diprount_tomatoEnglish
      2•1 year ago

      “You’re not beautiful enough for a contest about female beauty with your male presentation, therefore we reject your application”

      Cold and passive-agressive, just like an actual organisation would answer

  • @itscozydownhere@lemmy.worldEnglish
    65•1 year ago

    For context, Miss Italia is no longer broadcasted on important tv channels and almost no one watches or care about who wins now. Years ago (10?) it was a big thing and winners would make commercials and do movies/series and be remembered for life. But it’s too an old school concept now

    Anyway, I love this turn of events

    Source: Italian

  • @krayj@lemmy.worldEnglish
    145•1 year ago

    I think it would have been fair to have a rule saying “no surgical modifications”… because doing things like facelift, nose-job, breast/buttox implants, cheek lifts, wrinkle removal, etc, are obviously unfair advantages (in a beauty contest) for those who have the money pay for it; and having a generic blanket rule like that would have accomplished the same thing they were trying to accomplish without being so blatantly transphobic… so a rule like what they have only proves that they are both despicable AND dumb. The entire notion of beauty pageants is outdated and stupid if you ask me.

    • @betheydocrime@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6•1 year ago

      So, no contestants who have had their wisdom teeth removed? No one allowed who has had a C-section? No cancer patients who have had biopsies done?

    • @dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
      53•1 year ago

      Lol, you implement that and basically all beauty pageants stop existing. Which would be a good thing, mind you. But I’ve never met a pageant contestant in my life that isn’t … let’s say … heavily enhanced by medical procedures.

    • Flying SquidEnglish
      22•1 year ago

      On the one hand, that might work. On the other hand, who gives a fuck about the rules in a contest with arbitrary standards?

        • diprount_tomatoEnglish
          2•1 year ago

          Going through cosmetic surgeries in a contest that values cosmetic aspects is all but meaningless

        • @VirulentAura@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11•1 year ago

          What is this word salad? Could you rephrase using your own words, please, instead of parroting something you think you heard?

            • ExatronEnglish
              4•1 year ago

              It’d help if you weren’t spewing bigoted nonsense.

            • @VirulentAura@lemmy.worldEnglish
              27•1 year ago

              Friend, I’m going to try to be gentle, and honest, and I hope you will listen with an open heart and mind.

              I came out to myself, and my wife and kids about a week ago. I was born with the mind, the spirit, the personally, the essence, whatever, of a woman 37 years ago. I have been living as a man, conforming to society’s rules for 37 years. It took me four days, two hours at a time, to feel 40% of the way you do, just by waking up.

              Note: I don’t know what gender you are. I don’t actually give a flying fuck. The point is, if you want to go sit in a sauna with your peers, you can. I can’t. All the normal experiences you had, weather you was born as a girl, and was annoyed that your mom made you sit still so she could fix your hair, or as a boy playing catch with your dad or working on the family car, you got that. You got to go to prom wearing what you want. Hell, you can go take a shit at the mall without people giving you dirty looks.

              I can’t.

              Trans people don’t want to insert themselves anywhere. Society wants to exclude them from everywhere. It may seem pointless that it’s just some beauty pageant, but imagine you have this beautiful car you built, by hand. You even had to so much custom shaping and fabrication, but goddamn is she pretty. Let’s take her to a car show, shall we? Wait… You can’t show off the car you’ve literally spent years on? After all this time, after you spent all this money, all this time, hiding away. You are scared. This isn’t a mass manufactured car, what if you get made fun of? It’s fine, it still has the shape of a car, and it’s so pretty, and you are so proud!

              What… it isn’t allowed? It is a gorgeous car though… They say it isn’t actually a car, just a bunch of shit someone slapped together. You can’t just take a Ford, strip it down to it’s frame, rebuild it peice by peice, and still call it a car. You cheated, and it’s wrong. Hell, for good measure, they tell you you can’t even register to drive it. It now sits in your garage. Collecting dust.

              If you don’t understand my allegory, you are you, the car is your true sense of self, your “transgenderism” if you must call it that, the car show was gonna be the pageant but I spaced out and it became representative of society as a whole for a minute…

              You are absolutely right that we want to be accepted. You’re accepted. Why can’t I be like you? Why do I have to be scared my step brother is going to beat the shit out of me just because I have to take a piss? You can go to the store and just… Grab a gallon of milk without having to worry about some bigot stalking you and hurting you just because you wore yoga pants because you think you have a nice ass. I’m nervous to step into my own backyard to have a cigarette without an entire man-costume on. You can literally put on whatever the hell you want, step outside, and and shout at the top of your lungs “I’m here!” And nobody will bat an eye.

              If I put on whatever I wanted, stepped outside, and met you for the first time, pleasant as can be, your preconceived notions would be that I’m some weird bundle-of-sticks-word that need to go inside and has no place in society.

              TL;DR: Trans people are people too

            • @clockwork_octopus@lemmy.worldEnglish
              12•1 year ago

              Is that it that “activists want to insert themselves and their cause into every possible area of society“ or is it maybe that trans people are actual living breathing humans who are a part of every possible area of society, and they have the right to exist and live their lives in peace, same as you?

              The only people in the story that are “forcing” anyone are the bigots who are actively attempting to ban trans people from competing, but they’re doing it poorly. Not surprising, since most bigots lack critical thinking skills.

    • @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.worldEnglish
      38•1 year ago

      I think it would have been fair to have a rule saying “no surgical modifications”…

      How are you intending to prove that that? Only the bad surgery makes itself obvious.

      • @krayj@lemmy.worldEnglish
        75•1 year ago

        Like any kind of contest, finding rules violations is hard and not foolproof. It’s like sports that forbid using steroids - competitors do regularly take those substances while training, then quit taking them for competition and go uncaught. Competitors who are discovered later to have been violating rules are stripped of titles.

        That said, I don’t think it’s a very controversial concept that a beauty pageant shouldn’t be a contest about who could afford the best surgeons. Well - as I said earlier I think beauty pageants are absurd to begin with, but if they have to exist I don’t think it should be a contest between surgeons.

        • @Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12•1 year ago

          They are absurd and it’ll probably be a good thing when we’ve got past their existence. But the problem here is that proving surgery is essentially impossible. It’s quite unlike drugs that you can test for. Maybe implants you could test for but that’s just one thing, and I’m not sure that beauty pageants even have the kind of budget required for advanced tests.

          • @Syrc@lemmy.worldEnglish
            7•1 year ago

            One of the contest’s rules says you can’t participate if you willingly had a nude photo took in your lifetime. Good luck proving that (not even considering how it’s a honeypot for revenge porn to surface)

        • @Deuces@lemmy.worldEnglish
          20•1 year ago

          Though I would watch one that was a contest between surgeons. I imagine it’d start pretty tame, but the first time a girl with cat ears wins, were only like 5 years from the really crazy shit

  • @Imotali@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    198•1 year ago

    Mod here. Just want to openly and unequivocally state… I will remove your comment if you’re transphobic. I will refer to trans people to let me know if you are being transphobic. I will ban you if you make an egregiously off colour comment. and I will take pleasure in doing this. Fuck your transphobic bullshit, go somewhere else. Nobody wants you here.

    • wanderingmagusEnglish
      37•1 year ago

      Thanks for everything you do to keep this community safe. I know it can’t be easy.

      • @gunnm@monero.townEnglish
        5•1 year ago

        That’s the thing about choosing an instance, it’s his house, his rules. At least with Lemmy it’s like you can move out to the next building, Reddit is like living in jail nowhere left to move.

      • @Imotali@lemmy.worldMEnglish
        37•1 year ago

        Frankly, I don’t care what you think of it. Transphobia is not allowed. This isn’t a democracy. It’s pretty simple: don’t be an asshole.

        Every comment removed violates the civility rules of this instance. Which reads thus (emphasis mine):

        Do not engage in name calling, ad hominem attacks, or any other uncivil behaviour. Criticize ideas, never people.

        IOW: Be transphobic and be prepared for me to iron fist the vagueness of those words. It’s pretty easy not to be an asshole.

        • @Derproid@lemm.eeEnglish
          -10•1 year ago

          Just to play devils advocate, wouldn’t that mean it’s okay to criticize the idea of transgenderism if you don’t criticize the people who are transgender (although not really sure if that’s even possible)?

          • @Imotali@lemmy.worldMEnglish
            10•1 year ago

            Yes. If you could prove transgenderism exists. See because you attach an -ism to it you are (in English) saying “the ideology of transgender individuals” which is “we exist” which is not an ideology. It is a fact. You can disagree with facts all you want but it doesn’t make you smart.or intellectual… it makes you wrong.

              • @Imotali@lemmy.worldMEnglish
                4•1 year ago

                “The idea of being transgender” it’s not an idea anymore than you think about being cisgender. It’s a false dichotomy created by cisgender people who fail to understand the issue or fall victim to the “gay agenda” rhetoric of right wing media.

                A better way to phrase it is no trans person thinks of themselves as trans. A trans woman thinks of herself as a woman. A trans man thinks of himself as a man. So there’s no “idea” of “being transgender” unless you’re a cis person who thinks they know what they’re talking about.

                It’s like the phrase “differently abled” only able bodied people think like that.

        • @Lorium_O@lemm.eeEnglish
          -29•1 year ago

          “Criticize ideas, never people.” Guess I can’t criticize serial killers- nevermind

    • Che BananaEnglish
      20•1 year ago

      Fucking A right. n

      You are amazing, brave people and deserve a place in society where you are loved . M

    • @Pokethat@lemm.eeEnglish
      -23•1 year ago

      Bruh, just do your job/hobby. Mods acting high and mighty is a big part of what made reddit so toxic.

      • @Imotali@lemmy.worldMEnglish
        18•1 year ago

        This is my job: to make perfectly clear what is and isn’t allowed. In no uncertain terms I will make sure this place is as free from transphobia as possible.

        • @Imotali@lemmy.worldMEnglish
          5•1 year ago

          This is free speech. They get to say what they please. They are not free from the consequences of those words however. I, as a private citizen and not a governmental actor, can censor them.

          • @gunnm@monero.townEnglish
            -6•1 year ago

            I disagree, free speech means the right to express any opinions and ideas without censorship or restraint even if you find them offensive.

            You said you will remove any comment that is transphobic and ban if “you make an egregiously off colour comment”.

            That is not free speech, and it’s ok. Your instance, your rules.

            • @Imotali@lemmy.worldMEnglish
              3•1 year ago

              They can say what they want without restraint or restriction. They are not free from the consequences of their words.

              They can say what they like. We can ban them if we don’t like it. That’s how free speech works in a consequentialist society (modern Western society is a synthesis of consequentialism and contractualism).

                • @Imotali@lemmy.worldMEnglish
                  0•1 year ago

                  You were allowed to say it. I’m allowed to remove it. Welcome to the world. Don’t like it? Leave.

                  But also: nobody in the world actually likes the idea of absolutist free speech. The founding fathers certainly didn’t believe in such an idea.

              • @Pokethat@lemm.eeEnglish
                3•1 year ago

                That’s literally not free speech. If I say I like to eat broccoli every day and that people should try it for health reasons and you’re some kind of carnivore mod and it tickles you the wrong way and you block me for it… That’s censorship and the opposite of free speech.

                You’re telling me that you control the narrative. Now there’s nuance to censorship for sure, but you’re telling me that if you don’t like what I say I’m out. I have to type within the confines of the bubble of what isn’t too uncomfortable for you.

                I say let the downvotes do the talking. If I go on the electric vehicles instance talking about how (non-ironocally) I love to roll coal and how that’s what’s keeping me from trying EVs, I expect to be downvoted into the shadow realm. And that’s ok. What I’m not ok with is a mod assuming that my voice sucks and that I don’t deserve to be heard. Maybe some smart lemmier(?) will point out some doodad that makes a brrr noise and shoots out some harmless mist or something.

                • @david@feddit.ukEnglish
                  2•1 year ago

                  You have the right to be an asshole. Mods have the right to ban you for being an asshole.

                  Making out that they’re nasty for having some standards of behaviour in their area is calling good bad and bad good.

                  (Censorship is when local or national government put you in prison for protesting or ban your book or ban your ideas. That’s when your free speech rights are being infringed.)